$10/20 live hand - Small Stakes Pot Limit Omaha

Villain (~$2.4k) just sat down a couple hands ago. Mid-50s, middle eastern, bad english, looks like a whale. Has limped 2/2 hands before this.

Hero (covers) mid-20s, grinder looking

Villain limps MP, hero raises to $80 with AdJdT9, fish calls, whale calls.

Flop ($370)

Ah Jc 4s

check, hero bets $280, fold, whale calls

turn ($930)

8h

check, hero bets $660, villain jams for just under a pot sized raise.

Was not expecting a jam here, was planned sizing to jam most rivers..

Thoughts on how much equity we have vs his range here?

Last edited by tmckendry; 07-09-2013 at 05:17 PM.

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07-09-2013 , 05:51 PM

kutty

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I mean you're never folding...

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07-09-2013 , 07:00 PM

MauriceSch

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Sorry you lost.

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07-09-2013 , 07:33 PM

tmckendry

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Perhaps I should have altered the hand to exclude bet sizes.

I'm curious what people think our equity is against his range here.

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07-09-2013 , 07:43 PM

AlexKP

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why?

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07-09-2013 , 07:46 PM

Andrew Boccia

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40%, all hands in omaha 60/40.

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07-09-2013 , 08:42 PM

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why?

I want to know how bad folding is..

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07-09-2013 , 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by tmckendry

Villain looks like a whale

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Hero grinder looking

Is this what you mean?

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07-09-2013 , 09:04 PM

tmckendry

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Hero is blacker

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07-10-2013 , 04:47 AM

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I want to know how bad folding is..

berry berry bad.

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07-10-2013 , 05:49 AM

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If he jams some rundowns with hearts like khqht* and some A8hh, A4hh and bare A8**, A4** and AJ** you have way over 50 % equity. As you don´t know much about his preflop tendencies, like raising big suited rundowns pre etc it´s an easy call.

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07-10-2013 , 06:06 AM

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Hero is blacker

snap fold. no one bluffs black people

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07-10-2013 , 06:09 AM

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Hoopman20

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Originally Posted by tmckendry

I'm curious what people think our equity is against his range here.

Forget that for now. Start with figuring out how much equity you need to call here (less than 30%)

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I want to know how bad folding is..

Depends on how you look at it. It's a lot less bad if you flip your cards face up, tank for 5 minutes, fold, and then proceed to call down 3 streets with top pair for the next 5 hours.

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07-10-2013 , 06:12 AM

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tmckendry

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So by that logic it's a 3b if he has another $5k behind ? (over 50% equity)

I suppose I so rarely run into draws in spots like these when my perceived range is strong ... I'm not even sure if we have the 31-32% needed to call here vs an unknown player who seems fishy

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07-10-2013 , 06:31 AM

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31-32% needed

How did you calculate this?

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07-10-2013 , 06:39 AM

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lol wtf at this whole post.

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07-10-2013 , 06:39 AM

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Well, need 33% to call a pot sized raise, so just under pot would be in that region.. say 90 to win 200, need 31%..

board: AcJs5h8h
Hand Equity Wins Ties
AJ:hh, JJ, 88:hh, 55, KhQhT, 234:hh 64.71% 130,772 35,638
AdJdTc9c 35.29% 63,230 35,638

^-- seems reasonable, making it a call.

Maybe its just in my experience that live fish call often with draws on the turn and jam with sets.

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07-10-2013 , 06:41 AM

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lol wtf at this whole post.

Was in response to Casher23, who thought we had >50% equity on the turn. when I loaded page he was the last response..

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07-10-2013 , 06:50 AM

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you called and he had JJJ Im guessing?

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07-10-2013 , 06:58 AM

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need 33% to call a pot sized raise, so just under pot would be in that region...

It seems to me that you need to call 1,380 to win 4910. That's 28%... a 3-4% error off your guess. 3-4% is significant when you want to know how bad a fold is.

It's annoying when you want to guesstimate everything yourself but you are asking everyone else to give you precise answers.

If it wasn't laziness because you don't know how to calculate equity then say that from the start. You might get trolled by some morons for your honesty but you would get more useful input too.

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07-10-2013 , 07:00 AM

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you called and he had JJJ Im guessing?

and those were just his hole cards

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07-10-2013 , 07:08 AM

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Yeah... chip counts were not exact, don't remember the numbers exactly. It was ~$50-150 under a pot sized raise, had to count it down to make sure it wasn't too much. This was not clear in the OP. I tried to ninja-guestimate edit his starting stack to make it close-- which I seemed to fail on

If I asked call/fold its a waste of time, no one is going to advocate a fold. I'm trying to learn something from this spot and figure out what our equity is here. So far I'm getting the impression its in the ~50% range. Next time I'll just post it with him having $3k starting the hand. Will make things much much easier

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07-10-2013 , 08:01 AM

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undercutter

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Villain's range isn't based purely on his actions. If you change stack sizes it matters.

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Originally Posted by kutty

snap fold. no one bluffs black people

Lolz.

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06-26-2017 , 04:22 PM

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JB Clark

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Why would you bet the turn at all. This hand is a complete abomination. What hands were you targeting for value with that sizing?

So you only look the part of a grinder and aren't really a grinder.

The 8h is a bad card for you in this hand and a great one for him. It puts a lot of draws up to target with his sets and pulls him close enough to even with his draws to semi bluff

Therefore you are never getting flatted OTT. Therefore b/f is absurd. As played call and pray

Check back turn. Also size flop more efficiently.

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