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Old 06-26-2012, 06:46 AM   #1
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10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

villain is good thinking winning aggro 10/20 reg (gh0s5crab)

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PL Omaha $20(BB) Poker Stars
Hero ($3,974)
BB ($5,716)
UTG ($3,046)
CO ($7,659)
BTN ($590)

Dealt to Hero 8 T T 8

fold, CO raises to $60, fold, Hero raises to $200, fold, CO calls $140

FLOP ($420) 7 5 T

Hero bets $260, CO calls $260

TURN ($940) 7 5 T 4
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:12 AM   #2
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

I have a hard time putting him on 6 8 here with your hand and the preflop action. Can you expect him to bet if checked to? If so, I think the best play here is to C/R his semi-bluff on the turn. If he checks behind we re-evaluate on the river and C/F an 8,9,Q,J.
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Old 06-26-2012, 08:43 AM   #3
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

Don't know villain to well. But if i am correct, he is more loose and agro (pre and post), then most regs. Besides that he doesnt like to fold right.

That said I feel that villain doesnt expect u to give up on the turn that often when u cb this flop, and check this turn(and if u dont xf, u prolly go for the xr from his point of view). Therefor I would expect him to checkback more often then desirable in this spot.

On the other hand this is a board he prolly likes to float/screw arround on(prolly even more induced by the flop sizing). So to give him, once again, some incentive(to put more $$ in with the weakest/widest range), I prefer betting the turn pretty small again.

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Old 06-26-2012, 09:43 AM   #4
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

Can I ask a preflop question? That seems like a marginal 3-bet. You're going to play a pot OOP essentially 200 BBs deep against a "good thinking winning aggro". And if he's thinking, he's not getting jiggy preflop because the shortie button can 3-bet pre and shove the flop.

Is this a standard play?

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Old 06-26-2012, 09:57 AM   #5
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

^ Think pre is standard (200 deep - becomes marginal/sometimes bad at 100bb tbl vs reasonably tight open %)

I think i'd just C/R, because he prob plays river's really well if you C/C -

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Old 06-26-2012, 09:58 AM   #6
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

^Imo double-paired hands are good to 3bet, when you flop a set, you're well disguised.

I'd bet something to get him to possibly bluff-raise, like over half the pot (obv I have no idea of your history, or the general play at these stakes).
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

life sure is tough. lol bet.
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:17 AM   #8
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

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life sure is tough. lol bet.
Do these TAG regs at these games not try and protect their equity (prob lots of 2p type hands) here when a card that is seemingly better for CO's range hits the turn? + there is a decent chance we can get some action from TJQ type hands that want to stab, no?
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

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Don't know villain to well. But if i am correct, he is more loose and agro (pre and post), then most regs. Besides that he doesnt like to fold right.

That said I feel that villain doesnt expect u to give up on the turn that often when u cb this flop, and check this turn(and if u dont xf, u prolly go for the xr from his point of view). Therefor I would expect him to checkback more often then desirable in this spot.

On the other hand this is a board he prolly likes to float/screw arround on(prolly even more induced by the flop sizing). So to give him, once again, some incentive(to put more $$ in with the weakest/widest range), I prefer betting the turn pretty small again.
this is pretty much my analysis as well. what, in your opinion, would be a good sizing then
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:11 AM   #10
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

I think from a range vs. range perspective this has to be a check. Flop sizing is not good imo.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:12 AM   #11
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

If you don't 3bet this hand pre, you should 3bet 0% oop 200bb deep.

I like a turn c-r.
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Old 06-26-2012, 11:15 AM   #12
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

Everyone has different gameplans with their barrelling frequencies oop in 3 bet pots, but im betting this turn every time (prob similar size to flop ~60-70% of pot).
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

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I have a hard time putting him on 6 8 here with your hand and the preflop action. Can you expect him to bet if checked to? If so, I think the best play here is to C/R his semi-bluff on the turn. If he checks behind we re-evaluate on the river and C/F an 8,9,Q,J.
u have a tough time putting him on a 6 8 here, but fold to 9,Q,J on river?
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

vs thinking/decent player b/c $650+
(bet more otr...at least $300)
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Re: 10/20 deep 3bet pot, set, turn?

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I think from a range vs. range perspective this has to be a check. Flop sizing is not good imo.
whats a good flop sizing in your opinion
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