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1/3/10 PLO Flop and Turn spots 1/3/10 PLO Flop and Turn spots

03-25-2017 , 08:07 PM
The game is 1/3/10 and the 10 is not live. Rather passive table, but people are not necessarily afraid to get money into the pot w/o nutted hands.
Hero is in BB with KJ65hhcc with around 450, and is covered by both villains in the hand. (Don't hate, maximum buy in is 300 - thanks to Crown Melbourne's ******ed buy in structure)
UTG+2 limps 10, HJ limps 10, CO limps 10, BTN limps 10, SB completes and so does hero from the BB.
Flop: J63ss
Action: SB checks, hero checks, straddle checks, UTG+2 bets 70, HJ calls 70, all others fold, hero calls 70.
Turn: Tc (J63Tss)
Action: Hero checks, UTG+2 bets 125, HJ calls 125, hero folds.

IMO prime example of how not to play a 450 stack in such a game. Shove flop? Shove turn as played? Call turn? I think my flop decision pretty much forced me into making a bad turn play, as my reasoning was that I only truly like 4 potential river cards (J and 6), and every now and then not even those will be good.

Spoiler: river came a J (), UTG+2 check called a 300 bet and was good (HJ mucked so didn't get to see hands).
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03-25-2017 , 09:55 PM
Probably just fold flop as played, second option is raise, third is call.. not enough good turn cards, once you call the flop I'd lean towards getting it all in on this turn because otherwise why are we calling the flop

Leading the flop can be ok vs passive players (who won't jam combo draws) but its still very awkward stacks on turn no matter what
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03-26-2017 , 03:02 AM
Not folding the flop with top 2 here given the table, so probably just ship flop or get it in on the turn is right, pretty bad mistake. Thanks a lot ����
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03-26-2017 , 12:26 PM
Definitely jamming flop, you have such a low stack to pot ratio here and have top two. Don't see any other play being viable with such few BB to play for. This is one of the best flops for your hand

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03-26-2017 , 09:56 PM
Just want to point out hero can't shove entire stack in OTF, SPR is over 2, and I 100% don't recommend shoving dry top 2 at that SPR into a player that's potting into an entire table.
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03-26-2017 , 11:06 PM
always a close one this as i play in similar game.

Options - Flop - LEAD, XRAISE, xcall,xfold

You can donk flop here to find out where you are but you will have to shutdown on non paired turns. not a great move with SPR> 2


Check raise

Hero can get another $280 in on flop leaving $160 behind which basically means a turn shove given whats left. There are very few turns here that are good considering the 3rd player in the hand. J6 rarely ends up being the best hand at showdown here so pretty ugly if we cant take it down flop.


Looking at ranges you're either flipping on the turn or massively behind if he has a set made.

ProPokerTools Omaha Hi Simulation
231,920 trials (Exhaustive)
board: J63T
Hand Pot equity Wins Ties
KhJh6c5c51.58% 118,4852,298
Jx78+48.42% 111,1372,298
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03-27-2017 , 09:49 AM
dry low top two is not a very strong hand given SPR and nº of players in the pot.

If you think players can fold bottom set I don't hate check raise flop, or even lead.
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03-30-2017 , 08:36 AM
Much rather bet flop than x/c
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03-30-2017 , 12:56 PM
Wtf is the $10 thing preflop?

For 45bb easy gii on flop
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03-30-2017 , 07:38 PM
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Originally Posted by cicakman
Wtf is the $10 thing preflop?

For 45bb easy gii on flop
Rather than deal with $1 chips, it seems common for live PLO games to have a set bring it, meaning a limp is for more than a bb, and the pot is rounded up to the nearest $5. I commonly see 1/2/5, meaning 1/2 blinds, at least 5 to bring in, and you could open pot to $15. So I guess 1/3/10 is an extension of that. As was my confusion too the first time I saw such a game listed, there is not a third blind.
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03-31-2017 , 04:29 AM
It's a 1/3 game with a $300 max but players agree to a $10 blind raise UTG from time to time. It's not a 1/3/10 game as stated.
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03-31-2017 , 12:14 PM
After playing last night and having come across two very similar situations, I'm folding the flop with 3 players still in the hand. I had top 2, got it in on the flop and ran into a set one time and then a set from one villain and a flush/wrap from the other villain. So I thought this might be a short term anomaly but going thru my hand histories, I see that I'm typically up against a set and a big draw in these situations.


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