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1/2 MS PLO w/ big draw but ? outs 1/2 MS PLO w/ big draw but ? outs

07-05-2017 , 10:21 AM
1/2 Must Straddle PLO, 6 handed

V1 SB (~$475): MAWG playing too many hands, will go all in with two pair and no redraws, sets on scary boards, etc. Stack has been up/down all night.

MP (~$1,500) best player at the table but has also been hitting every hand.

V2 HJ (~$300): MAWG and one of the thinking players. Knows the game, but a bit gambly and will gii with decent draws. Has been extremely unlucky and is short-stacked because he is leaving soon (it’s 3 a.m.). Might be slightly tilted from a hand where V1 gii on the turn for his ~$500 stack (V2 covered at the time) with a set vs V2’s made straight and flush draw – river paired the board.

H BTN (covers): MAWW and one of the tighter players. People are folding bottom two to my bets, but calling everyone else.

H straddles to $10 (I straddle $5 unless I have the button -- table norm, but some straddle to $10 regardless.)

V1 limps, MP limps, V2 limps, H checks option (9cThTdJh). Should I raise? They are absolutely calling. They would have raised pre with premiums.

Flop is 8h9d4h ($45)

V1 pots (could have any draw, set, or two pair)
MP folds
V2 calls (probably a big heart draw or decent straight draw, but not both)
H? Easy re-pot or do we call thinking some of our outs are taken? If we pot, I highly doubt V1 is folding; he's probably shoving. If V2's draw is good enough, he's calling a shove.
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07-05-2017 , 03:03 PM
Pre: you shouldn't be thinking that raising gets no folds. Of course not this is plo. Think in terms of raising to build a pot in position and apply pressure on favorable flops
Flop: awkward stacks. I think raise to 150 is prob best. If v1 calls and mp shoves then you reshove. If v1 jams over and mp calls then probably fold. If both call, then jam turn if you hit and decide what to do if checked to on bricked turns.


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07-05-2017 , 04:04 PM
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Originally Posted by endodocdc
Pre: you shouldn't be thinking that raising gets no folds. Of course not this is plo. Think in terms of raising to build a pot in position and apply pressure on favorable flops
LOL. That was just villain info. Once they had limped, none of them had folded to a raise pre yet. If I raise in PLO, it's to get money in the pot.
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07-05-2017 , 06:25 PM
Absolutely raise pre. For one thing you could go a long run of buttons in a live game and not see a hand this good. Also, with a few shorter stacks around and it being short handed you can just play your non nut hearts like the nuts and not worry about it imo.

Now on the flop in an unraised pot at 3am I am not generally crediting them with as much strength as you do with the reads. V2 could call with as weak as K9JQ for example.

Theres a reasonable chance your overpair is good right now.

I don't like a small raise on the flop. That leaves V2 with $150 behind creating something of a dry pot scenario.

The stacks aren't there to get two decent streets out of this hand. I would overcall the flop and plan to at least call any non K A 5 6 8 turn.
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07-06-2017 , 03:02 PM
Yes raise it pre

Flop is a repot only if v will 3b gii... If you think v will just call, or worse, fold, just call all streets
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07-06-2017 , 05:36 PM
Great hand on the button so raise pre

i would just call the flop since we have pos
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07-10-2017 , 12:56 PM
raise pre is fine but not necessary. dont start to spew on that board, we are not happy to get it in with this spr
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07-15-2017 , 04:15 PM
raise it small pre flop if people aren't into the limp raise thing at your table otherwise a check is totally fine.

I would like to see a turn here and make your decision at that point
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07-18-2017 , 10:39 PM
All you can eat
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07-26-2017 , 01:26 PM
strategically donīt straddle for more on the button, in terms of yolo obv go big
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07-26-2017 , 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
strategically donīt straddle for more on the button, in terms of yolo obv go big
Every player was straddling for $10 on the button.

I think I butchered this hand a little, although turns out I was doing pretty well on the flop.

I should have raise pre and I should have flatted flop, although I'm OK with my shove based on reads of Vs.

V1 had 8c9s and two small, junky cards. No suits, LOL.
V2 had AhKh and two non-connected, non-suited cards.

Two pair held up.
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07-26-2017 , 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Javanewt
Every player was straddling for $10 on the button.
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If I did what every 1/2 plo player does Iīd be broke.
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07-26-2017 , 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by sauhund
If I did what every 1/2 plo player does Iīd be broke.
LOL. What's good for the game... It was "understood" and I don't like being the $%@# at the table. Plus, I was fine with it because my normal game has a $10 straddle.
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07-26-2017 , 03:50 PM
donīt get my wrong, I love straddles.
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