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Old 06-27-2012, 10:41 PM   #1
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1/2 HU Hyper aggros villain turn shove?

Hey,
Im sure im about to get flamed for using the wrong forum, but i feel this spot is kinda super opponent specific and i trust the characters in this subforum from months of lurking!

Opponent iss playing like 94/82/33, although his 3 bet frequency alters drastically as his tilt level changes, and at the moment he is losing at a fair pace and he is barelling very light and very often, however his range when he barrells is very merged, therefore he will have a much weaker range in general.

On this board texture (i believe a great one for us considering his range and how many pair/gs combos he can have) is this a clear shove? Felt kinda dirty, but can we ever fold?

Poker Stars $1/$2 Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): $578.56
BB: $215.98

Pre Flop: ($3.00) Hero is BTN/SB with 6 2 5 3
Hero raises to $6, BB raises to $18, Hero calls $12

Flop: ($36.00) 5 3 A (2 players)
BB bets $22.01, Hero calls $22.01

Turn: ($80.02) T (2 players)
BB bets $79.52, Hero???

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Old 06-27-2012, 11:52 PM   #2
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Re: 1/2 HU Hyper aggros villain turn shove?

Given your description, I don't like the idea of letting him see a free turn in this situation. I can see both raise/call and raise/fold depending on how crazy he's been in big pots.

As played, just jam it in.
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Old 06-28-2012, 12:27 AM   #3
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Re: 1/2 HU Hyper aggros villain turn shove?

why do you open this trash vs such an opponent????
wait for a hand and don`t bring yourself in such a situation....

this type of player will most likely fire a 3rd bullet otr....
therefore...just call him down....makes more sense than raising
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:24 PM   #4
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Re: 1/2 HU Hyper aggros villain turn shove?

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why do you open this trash vs such an opponent????
wait for a hand and don`t bring yourself in such a situation....
new to plo but isn't limp/calling better than folding this pre? or this is just too trashy
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Old 06-28-2012, 02:30 PM   #5
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Re: 1/2 HU Hyper aggros villain turn shove?

open is fine
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Old 06-28-2012, 03:56 PM   #6
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Re: 1/2 HU Hyper aggros villain turn shove?

never limpcall in HU.
i think you played it fine, board is super dry, and tilty as he is, he might try to rep something ott.
turn hits his range pretty hard though, and i like a jam here. we should be ahead most of the time, but now it is time to protect against broadway cards. a hand like QJT8 is actually drawing pretty good against us here, and he will almost certainly fold to a raise, assuming that he is pretty dead against aces up, which is not bad. if he calls with Ace-broadway, you are still a slight favourite i guess, and against the rare AT/AA you still got your flush/str8/fullhouse outs against AT.
pretty good spot for a shove to protect the pot here.
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:26 PM   #7
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Re: 1/2 HU Hyper aggros villain turn shove?

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why do you open this trash vs such an opponent????
wait for a hand and don`t bring yourself in such a situation....

this type of player will most likely fire a 3rd bullet otr....
therefore...just call him down....makes more sense than raising
disagree. although ill tighten up a little against these opponents, ill still be opening 80-90% of btns.
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:29 PM   #8
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new to plo but isn't limp/calling better than folding this pre? or this is just too trashy
openlimping is awful.....vs a standard player you should openraise close to 100%......
but there is nothing wrong with lowering your openingrange....esp vs an aggro opponent....lets say about 70%
vs an overaggro lunatic spewmonk,you`ll do fine opening as little as 50%
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Old 06-28-2012, 07:59 PM   #9
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openlimping is awful.....vs a standard player you should openraise close to 100%......
but there is nothing wrong with lowering your openingrange....esp vs an aggro opponent....lets say about 70%
vs an overaggro lunatic spewmonk,you`ll do fine opening as little as 50%
against an ubersick aggro donkey i sometimes play with an open/4bet range
it last only few hands, but it teaches him some manners.
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:21 PM   #10
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Re: 1/2 HU Hyper aggros villain turn shove?

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openlimping is awful.....vs a standard player you should openraise close to 100%......
but there is nothing wrong with lowering your openingrange....esp vs an aggro opponent....lets say about 70%
vs an overaggro lunatic spewmonk,you`ll do fine opening as little as 50%

i think lowering open raise to 50% on the button is really bad against even most hyper agros because they will (if they ahve even half a brain) stop 3 betting you with their weaker parts of their range and maybe stop spew-3betting all together. id rather raise/fold a few times or have to call a bunch of 3bets with marginals and get into tricky spots than give him a chance to stop leaking money.
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i think lowering open raise to 50% on the button is really bad against even most hyper agros because they will (if they ahve even half a brain) stop 3 betting you with their weaker parts of their range and maybe stop spew-3betting all together. id rather raise/fold a few times or have to call a bunch of 3bets with marginals and get into tricky spots than give him a chance to stop leaking money.
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Old 06-28-2012, 08:44 PM   #12
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Old 06-28-2012, 10:19 PM   #13
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Re: 1/2 HU Hyper aggros villain turn shove?

if he has no sizing tells and ur description is accurate of his play, shoving is correct, also our hand is too weak to c/c, a lot of rivers are rape for our hand. doesnt matter if he will barrell a fair percentage. also good with a weaker jam range here vs villains like this, as it will somewhat reinforce his situation perception of you playing back at him non nutty(which is what u want) although prob villain doesnt get we're at the 25% bottom of our range with shoves like this.

also, lol at villain for this line w effective stacks what they were.
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Old 06-29-2012, 03:56 AM   #14
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never limpcall in HU.
Nah...never say never in a HU match - i think limp/calling has some advantages against some people...
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Old 07-01-2012, 02:44 AM   #15
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Re: 1/2 HU Hyper aggros villain turn shove?

limp calling is fine when you have zero fold eq
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