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04-19-2014 , 02:03 PM

LongTimeNoSee

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 666

villian has been standard so far, i 3-bet not very much

Hero:[Q

]

BU 3x
Hero 9x
Bu 27x
hero calls

Flop[Q

]
hero checks
Bu 27x
hero (one potsize raise left)

should i lead flop?
now call, shove or fold?

is 3-betting doublesuited trash oop headsup a good idea?

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04-19-2014 , 02:59 PM

Travbana

old hand

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,573

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Originally Posted by LongTimeNoSee

villian has been standard so far, i 3-bet not very much

Hero:[Q

]

BU 3x
Hero 9x
Bu 27x
hero calls

Flop[Q

]
hero checks
Bu 27x
hero (one potsize raise left)

should i lead flop?
now call, shove or fold?

is 3-betting doublesuited trash oop headsup a good idea?

Dont lead flop, he never folds AAxx anyway, but he will fold his air, c/jam and give him the chance to c-bet with his whole range, also if he would check back flop we get to know our equity and can barrel him to death and put him in a hard spot against his bare AAxx

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04-19-2014 , 03:36 PM

LongTimeNoSee

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 666

i c/jammed in the actual hand after typing in the chat "i puke when i see this betsizing on this board"

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04-19-2014 , 04:56 PM

j.a.o.p.

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,529

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongTimeNoSee

villian has been standard so far, i 3-bet not very much

Hero:[Q

]

BU 3x
Hero 9x
Bu 27x
hero calls

Flop[Q

]
hero checks
Bu 27x
hero (one potsize raise left)

should i lead flop?
now call, shove or fold?

is 3-betting doublesuited trash oop headsup a good idea?

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04-19-2014 , 05:12 PM

LongTimeNoSee

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 666

i swear i didnt lie it was an exception to 3-bet this hand

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04-19-2014 , 05:43 PM

NeverScaredB

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 8,314

Don't make an exception for this hand.

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04-19-2014 , 06:06 PM

LongTimeNoSee

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 666

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Originally Posted by NeverScaredB

Don't make an exception for this hand.

should i throw suited garbage like this away pre or should i call?

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04-19-2014 , 10:45 PM

LV_livingg

centurion

Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 192

its sounds like your not vary familiar With post-flop play in Plo
so i would say just let it go Pre.
Maybe if the 2 was a 10 and the 6 was a 8
like Q-10-8-9

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04-20-2014 , 04:58 AM

lvanhoe

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,383

Quote:

Originally Posted by LongTimeNoSee

villian has been standard so far, i 3-bet not very much

Hero:[Q

]

BU 3x
Hero 9x
Bu 27x
hero calls

Flop[Q

]
hero checks
Bu 27x
hero (one potsize raise left)

should i lead flop?
now call, shove or fold?

is 3-betting doublesuited trash oop headsup a good idea?

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04-20-2014 , 04:58 AM

#10

lvanhoe

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 1,383

Quote:

Originally Posted by LV_livingg

its sounds like your not vary familiar With post-flop play in Plo
so i would say just let it go Pre.
Maybe if the 2 was a 10 and the 6 was a 8
like Q-10-8-9

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04-20-2014 , 05:10 AM

#11

TGSM89

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 8,491

Mmm

If the 2

was the A

, and the 6

was the A

and the 7

was the Q

. I'd defo play it then

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04-20-2014 , 05:30 AM

#12

LongTimeNoSee

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 666

so just muck it pre ok.

what about postflop?

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04-20-2014 , 05:51 AM

#13

joppi

adept

Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 1,111

You also have a call button preflop.

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04-20-2014 , 08:49 AM

#14

j.a.o.p.

old hand

Join Date: Mar 2011 Posts: 1,529

start with "call when calling looses less than folding"......

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04-24-2014 , 06:39 PM

#15

4BetBoke

old hand

Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,568

Call pre. Check shove flop.

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04-25-2014 , 09:18 AM

#16

LongTimeNoSee

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 666

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Originally Posted by 4BetBoke

Call pre. Check shove flop.

i c/shoved the flop but i think its wrong. im so dead against any reasonable 4-bet range.

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04-25-2014 , 09:29 AM

#17

motherknowsbest

grinder

Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 444

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Originally Posted by LongTimeNoSee

so just muck it pre ok.

what about postflop?

if you muck it pre there will be no postflop decission.

solved. lock it up.

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04-25-2014 , 09:33 AM

#18

LongTimeNoSee

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 666

im really surprised nobody is able to give me advice about the postflop play

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04-25-2014 , 09:04 PM

#19

opiquous

enthusiast

Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 97

Postflop is a very trivial check-jam. You are risking 135bb to win 81bb. You have 'some' fold equity, you can get it in ahead and you're not that far behind any 4bet range.

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04-26-2014 , 02:23 AM

#20

Kid junior

newbie

Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 17

Yeah you have a ****ty double suited hand, but it's still double suited so just call villains initial raise. As played c shove the flop. He's probably cbetting his whole range. You're meh against his good hands and he folds his hands that missed so yeah give him a chance to bluff then jam

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04-28-2014 , 04:41 PM

#21

cap217

veteran

Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 3,170

bc he bets 1/2 pot you can check/jam with some FE. Vs AAxx you are a slight dog and vs sets and Ah FD you dont fair well. Is your question more to call or shove? Are you considering folding here?

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04-28-2014 , 05:11 PM

#22

LongTimeNoSee

grinder

Join Date: Mar 2014 Posts: 666

i was asking if it is better to call flop and fold turn unimproved, espeially on ards that help AA or that put a 3 straight out there.

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