1/2/5 $500 max buy in PLO live. 9 handed.

Villain 1 in BB $90
Hero in MP $700
Villain 2 BTN ~$400

1 limper (who folds on next action)
Hero raises to $20 with 9876ds
V2 BTN calls
V1 BB shoves for $90 all in

V1 BB has been doing this with ANY AAxx for a while now with short stack. He busts, buys in another $75 or $100, and repeats. I have seen it 3 times and it has always been AAxx.

V2 probably plays ~50% VPIP and is pretty passive in general.

What is my play here? Do I pot, or do I flat, or do I min-raise, etc?

(edit: Sorry if this is small stakes and I posted in wrong forum - the structure is 1/2 blinds with $5 bring in - my best guess was it belongs in High PLO...)

Just flat, no need to get passive v2 out.

Yep. Sounds like you'll be able to play perfectly v. V2 post-flop so there's absolutely no reason to re-pot.

That said, I would think that a math guy should be able to prove it is +EV to do so. I just think your hand plays REALLY well v. a passive weak opponent, and you should be able to maximize your EV.

I think we do want him out and as long as i didnt think he was in the mood to punt his stack off pre (a lot do and i can imagine the buyin cap encourages that as well) i would be isoing. Very good for our image as well.

+1 for the math guys

Let's say we flat and V2 flats. What kind of flops are you guys c/fin? (Besides obv ones like TT4, monotone where we missed the flush...
What about for example QJ6r, 34J wFD, KJTr, TTJ wFD?

I am still unsure about this spot. Results will not change the debate at all: I potted and V2 folded. V1 sure enough had AA and the board ran out in my favor. I asked V2 if he was coming along if I just called - V2 remarked "I had a $20 hand, nothing else"... which really means nothing, he was just being coy.

I potted because I hated the thought of being OOP with a SPR of ~1.5 in a protected pot if we both just called ( SPR less than 1 and we are committed anyways, >4 I would be ok with too). The protected pot part sucks because if I fire flop and get him to fold in error, I am still probably losing to V1.
I thought V2 would get to play perfectly, and I did not figure V2 would ever re-raise preflop allowing stacks to go in pre. When I described V2 as passive, just meant he is only betting the near nuts, but he is not a wild loose chaser though.

HOWEVER, I sill have not idea what is the better play.

i would get it in, as i don't like playing low SPR situations OOP (it's hard). If v2 gets it in with us, we probably have an equity edge, as v1s range blocks v2s.

I think that calling here is best. If we put V1 on AAxx or at least 10% range then we know we are behind. If we pot it, we risk V2 waking up with a hand that dominates us. I only see V2 calling a PSB with all hands that dominate here. If we flat, V2 can come along with a lot of hands that we have great equity vs. If V2 repots it here, we can consider calling/folding (probably calling).


6789ds vs 10% range is 43/57 dog and the pot, when you pot and V2 folds is $205. We have $88.15 EV here.

6789ds vs 10% and vs 20% ranges are 33/36/31 which looks better. Pot when we call an V2 calls is $275 and we have $90.75 EV here. But it also gives us very good implied odds and we can play the flop perfectly.

Edit to above

EV pot and V2 folds is $88.15-$70=$18.15

EV flat and V2 calls is $90.75-70=$20.75


I listed only the equity in dollars above and didnt subtract to call/bet.

Call and ship flop

As V1 this is my favourite line as well

Do you mean "if you were V1"... or do you mean I played this hand against you?

Lol - If you were V1 - on what turn card did you bust my aces on @ 2/5 NL last weekend?

(edit: Nevermind - your spelling of favorite rules you out)

... yeah, shipping into a protected pot if I whiff is pretty bad

Allright, my fault. As defense: i am not a native speaker

It is the correct spelling in England, but different in US - so wasn't saying you spelled it wrong, just thought you were English or Australian or something...

call, flop a pair and go with it

Imo its a nobrainer just to shove pre here.
We are not very deep, when both calling then eff SPR is 1, so I don't see any reason why not isolating, we get nice potodds HU vs AAxx or top 10% and if we are dominated by a better rd i.e. we will stick it in anyways beeing oop after flopping any pair and then prolly being even more dominated in this setup?! Theres not much chance of outplaying opponent with spr1 on a dry pot, huh?!

call or shove, either seems fine