so i thought id get some opinions on the PLo game i play in on weekends

so for the last month, my local casino has been getting a 1-2PLO game going with a missisipi straddle. there is no max buy-in, MIn $100.

few solid/good players, couple old/tight guys, and 2-3 super loose, aggressive "lets gamble" players.

1 super loose guy to give the background as this pretains mostly to him. before he even sits down he makes the announcements how he is going to own and take all money. he is also a guy who wont play NLH often cause its " not action enough" ex.. he raises everyhand guys just flat call him with A-j, he gets super mad.

first time i played with him, he made his speech and sat down with $300, busted and reloaded $4000. odd. when hes winning hes mouthy. losing bitchy.

no matter what he has in his hand, position, hes 95% raising or 3 betting.

lately he has made it very personal against me for whatever reason. basically now whatever move i make he will pot and try to get it all in preflop.
how would you guys play vs a person like this.

should i be maxing his chips.
buy in for less(i usually buy in for $1k)
tighten up,lossen up
not play in the game.
let him do the preflop raising, dont 3 bet pre. or anything else???

thoughts on this guys.


thx

dont buy in for what your bankroll cant afford, especially if this guy seems to be playing a high variance game, so just keep doing what youre comfortable with

def play tight.. if he's doing all the betting and 3betting, keep letting him do that and just call in spots where you would normally raise, you dont want to get into huge pots with marginal hands.. do not try to bluff him, just value the **** out of him

when you flop well and have nut draws, then you can feel comfortable getting it all in with him, but let him start the action

im not too experienced with live plo yet, but im trying to learn.. this is what i can think of and i might be wrong, i want to hear what others have to say as well

Buyin for min and run up stacks. Take the equity edges and punish him pre, then only open hands you will 4 bet (like top 15-20%) if he is 3b 100% of your opens.

this is actually what i already do, or did last session bought in for $300, and only opened my top 10%-15% of hands and yes got it all in preflop.

the problem is even if i double from $300-600

now next hand its $600 preflop if i win next hand it will be $1200 preflop. and yes this has already happen eventually he wins his 20-35% flip.

so would you also if turn $300-1200 cash out wait 1hour and buy back in for $300? this is a huge common thing among some of the weaker players in the game. i hate this hit and run but now trying to justify the action.

i'd just keep opening only hands i was comfortable 4betting OOP and in position call a bunch of 3 bets or 4b and play some flops. it depends on how high variance of a game you're comfortable with or your BRM threshholds. gl.

There was very interesting discussion about that some years ago, involving a theoretical NLH game between Bill Gates and Doyle Brunson. We assume Doyle has an X% edge, but Bill is basically Martingaling him with an unlimited bankroll. If Bill has any meaningful chance of winning, then it's a virtually sure thing that he will eventually bust Doyle if they keep playing.

The people insulting "hit-and-run" types are either just macho or want to keep them in the game. If your bankroll can't take you gambling with a 4X buy-in stack, then stand up and leave when you get to 4X the buy-in.

If you let other players dictate your game entering and leaving choices, well...

Regards, Lee

in your spot, i'd prob try to double up twice.

that depends on your bankroll and position at the table and how comfortable are you playng deep vs shallow. if bankroll is no issue and u have position on him i would cover him for sure. and 3bet him a lot. and win all the money obv

i have no problem with hit & runs. its the hit and run, wait one hour and buy back in for the min thus, you are entering the same game and taking cash off the table. 1 hour is basically 4 orbits.

and yes i remember reading that discussion and i know its been brought up a few times. thats why in my approach to this game i woudl feel comfortable in tripleing up and leaving.
my question is more the buy in for min/max strat, last session its actually what i did bought in for $300 doubled up to $600 unfornutedly took a AAxx to his qqax and couldnt recover. im going to try this approach a few more times and adjust as needed as i still find the game very interesting, and these type of players help bring out some great thinking/strats on my part.

and ive been making sure i have position on certain players adjusting as seats open up.

Once you get a real stack there is no way to avoid playing post flop. That is the nature of pot limit. It seems like you're trying to devise a plan to realize all your equity preflop and that is rarely going to happen in plo.

Just get position on him and take him to value town via the scenic route.

you realize this is what every good PLO player dreams about?
nothing better then a total aggro spewtard who wants to play every single pot with you.
you get to hand select and play premium hands and he's in there with any 4 cards its the ideal situation.
just learn how to play postflop and try your hardest to have position on him.

if you get deep and he has direct position on you i'd try and keep the pots smaller preflop, if your super uncomfortable playing deep then if you triple up or w/e and are OOP to him just quit and come back later. obv if you get deep with him on your right then just continue to punish his terrible hand selection.

its just impossible to do well long-term when you play ****ty hands in a live full ring PLO game.

You have to play to the whole table. I don't think you should loosen up but adapt to your position on him and try to move to position yourself for good play off him. Directly left if you think isolation is the key or directly opposite if you think he's good for trapping people between.

I was in a game where 2 players kept mini raising each other pre-flop for 2-3 raises. I don't know how to exploit that with mediocre or weak hands, so I tightened up and kept picking them with off a little luck on the flop and very strong pre-flop hands.

Be very aware of your position in hands (which you should be doing anyway) versus him. Based on your own comfort level I would recommend keeping pots small pre-flop (where equity edges are going to be small) and play him post-flop in position where you can exploit his poor hand selection and play. This is the exact type of player that you WANT in the game. When you initially buy-in short, you can also try limp re-raising early if people are flatting his raises behind it will likely allow you to get your stack in pre-flop since he will likely isolate you when you re-raise.

Do not the mistake of worrying so much about him that you dont play a solid game and deal with the other players and dynamics at the table.

I'm lost, why is it automatically AIPF in a PLO game? Do some pot control with limping and calling and play in position.

Play tighter than he does and repot 100% of the time when he repots you. Punish him for playing trash by getting in as much money as you can. Play fewer hands like 9764 with a suit and more QQ86 with a suit cause they do better against a weak range.