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06-14-2017 , 12:06 AM

JB Clark

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Haven't played a whole lot of PLO. So bare with me.

I'm playing very very tight. Havent shown anything down for over 2 hours and only played 2 or 3 pots...one of them I had double suited AK flopped all the draws and got there on rivered nuts, tho no one called when I bet river. I should appear tight and am unknown to the table

Limpfest pre...i think everyone limped which is par for the course and why I've played so tight.

Button raises to 25

Hero finds QhJhJc8c on the small blind.

Is this hand ok to 3b?

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06-14-2017 , 12:13 AM

monikrazy

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Stack sizes? not a great spot to 3b if you are 100bb+ imo

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06-14-2017 , 04:37 AM

JB Clark

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800 effective

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06-14-2017 , 06:50 AM

b1ochemical

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I wouldn't 3b. Just flat and play post, would suck to get 4b and wouldn't be that excited when called either.
Pretty looking hand, but not that great.

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06-15-2017 , 01:00 PM

inrenokid

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If they folded you out as you said, then you have a barometer to their hands, so call. Then villan will check if you stand a chance or bet were you can then fold if you are unimproved etc.

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06-15-2017 , 07:00 PM

JB Clark

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ok i was thinking the button could raise pretty light.

im not sure about the math of all this, was thinking this was a good hand to isolate a wide button range but could be wrong wasnt sure about being out of position for a big mw pot

so i 3b pot and 3 ppl.call including v

wups!

pot is over 400

i have 650 ish...table covers

Q

flop is 8

hero pots

is there a mistake here?

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06-15-2017 , 11:25 PM

Your Mom

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yeah, you're going with it on that flop.

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06-16-2017 , 02:19 AM

insanityisagift

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easy 3bet ridic what others are saying

edit: okay depends whether limpers can fold, gotta go w the flop

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06-17-2017 , 12:43 PM

DeKs

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Bloat the most likely multiway pot oop with no nut suit, not aces, semi connected double suited hand? No thanks. I'll stick to just flatting and keeping pot smaller, plan on playing optimally post flop. You're taking a high variance route with a non nut suit, not a fully connected hand against lots of players. Def a mistake

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06-17-2017 , 02:36 PM

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BDHarrison

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If they think you're tight, they probably assume you have AAxx when you 3bet pre and call if they have a hand they like to play against obvious aces. Do you feel comfortable playing OOP in a big pot against these players if you get multiple callers?

If this is a limpy table, what is button's raising range here? I know players who only have AAxx (and not trashy AAxx) in this situation. What is the probability that you get 4bet if you 3bet and how badly do you rue your raise if you get 4bet?

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06-19-2017 , 03:13 PM

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blitzT4M4Y0theGOAT

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Deff high variance route to 3b the ds JJ, cause with so many people in the pot, you're getting shoved on by most short-stackers, any hidden AA will also repot, and you're not far ahead of any hands that call pre. You're also giving rest of the table great odds to call, so that "iso-move" doesn't work here

Flop, GII

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06-20-2017 , 02:18 PM

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JB Clark

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Originally Posted by BDHarrison

If this is a limpy table, what is button's raising range here? I know players who only have AAxx (and not trashy AAxx) in this situation. What is the probability that you get 4bet if you 3bet and how badly do you rue your raise if you get 4bet?

ok this is pretty interesting but found out after hand that button never raises here with anything less than AA or KKds and he"s always flatting KK and jamming AA when i 3bet.

thats what table said of him after hand...i had noticed him.limping a lot tho

but id planned on folding if it got HU and he jammed

not sure about raise/fold route here but if id been called in 3 spots i call, if everyone folds i fold too

obv good flop for me but was surprised to be called in 2 spots and have 15% eq lol

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06-20-2017 , 05:34 PM

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blitzT4M4Y0theGOAT

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Originally Posted by JB Clark

How does hand end....

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06-21-2017 , 09:13 AM

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AveeMaria

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Hand doesn't play well multiway so there's merit to a 3b, especially against a late position open. But the reality is 3b'ing rarely gets you short handed in low stakes live PLO, so you'll likely find yourself in an inflated pot, multi way, with mediocre holdings that are often not drawings to the nuts. Barring dynamics demonstrating otherwise, I lean towards calling and set mining/looking for good draws to gii.

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06-21-2017 , 11:10 AM

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JB Clark

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^^^

well said...love flatting here vs this table...they were playing so many hands that 3b was unnecessary.

On the other hand the button put me squarely on AAxx and didn't re- pot with KKds, so I prob had some FE if it did go HU

problem was it prob rarely goes HU lol

Button showed up with KhKd8h9d

Other caller had 7TTJ

FML!!!

Tc was river and I scooped.

Don't think 3b is necessary at this stake tho

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