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Old 11-06-2008, 10:33 PM   #16
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Re: Treasury Finalized UIGEA Regs

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Like I said it looks legit but I am surprised some French site has it when we can't turn it up on the net ourselves. Unless the actual text does not come out until tomorrow and this is some random leak. Now let's see how long it takes that worthless hack who runs G911 to post this as breaking news like he had it first.
use this link, then in the KEYWORD box, top right, type in gambling, will be number 2 (appropriate) on the list.


http://www.djnewsplus.com/al?rnd=yaK...bgsG5QBg%3D%3D

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Old 11-06-2008, 10:49 PM   #17
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You guys are right about them making it difficult to find information. I found an OMB meting that occurred yesterday but not much there:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/oira/1...tings/813.html

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Re: Treasury Finalized UIGEA Regs

Should I be calling my representatives or anyone else about this?
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:09 PM   #19
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At least I found the page stating the regs were passed from the Treasury and a contact:

http://www.reginfo.gov/public/do/eAg...?ruleID=286034

Agency Contact:
Steven D. Laughton
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Department of the Treasury
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Office of the Assistant General Counsel (Banking and Finance), Room 2027B, 1500 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW.,
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:14 PM   #20
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You guys are right about them making it difficult to find information. I found an OMB meting that occurred yesterday but not much there:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/oira/1...tings/813.html

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Others as well:
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/query....ernet+gambling

On 10-29-2008
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/oira/1...tings/812.html

Click the materials provided link, they met with ISGA and the subject was the letter sent by King, Paul and 14 other Congressmen on our behalf, hope this is good.

Also discussed were several other congressional letters and a few responses to them.

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http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/oira/1...etings/812.pdf

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Old 11-06-2008, 11:17 PM   #21
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Re: Treasury Finalized UIGEA Regs

The actual text is what we need. That "should" be in the FR online. Otherwise perhaps the PPA can obtain a pdf of same and host it on their website before those dumasses at G911 do.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:22 PM   #22
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:54 PM   #23
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i'm a bit surprised that the treasury and the fed actually finalized the damn thing. was thinking they would have stalled until the next administration. the last thing bernanke and paulson wanted imo was to cut off a revenue source for banks in the way of transaction fees, especially in such trying times.
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Old 11-06-2008, 11:58 PM   #24
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i'm a bit surprised that the treasury and the fed actually finalized the damn thing. was thinking they would have stalled until the next administration. the last thing bernanke and paulson wanted imo was to cut off a revenue source for banks in the way of transaction fees, especially in such trying times.
The cost of implementation is the only downside to the bank the transactional income is eaten up by other entities in most cases.

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Old 11-06-2008, 11:59 PM   #25
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We definitely should be aligning with the banking lobbies, especially the CBA, to make sure these regs are dropped in the financial re-regulation coming early '09. I think that's a winnable fight, I just hope the games don't get too damaged or more sites don't leave in the meantime
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Old 11-07-2008, 12:42 AM   #26
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Re: Treasury Finalized UIGEA Regs

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i'm a bit surprised that the treasury and the fed actually finalized the damn thing. was thinking they would have stalled until the next administration. the last thing bernanke and paulson wanted imo was to cut off a revenue source for banks in the way of transaction fees, especially in such trying times.
From the flurry of meetings my guess is they are close but not quite finished, real close though.

Many are meeting to get opt clarification language to make certain "legal" wagering is not blocked.

I found most interesting the reply letter from the FRB / Treasury concerning Horse / Dog Track Wagering, the DoJ formally, it seems, suggested that those not be allowed (see my link above and read through the materials).

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Old 11-07-2008, 12:51 AM   #27
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Dick Armey DLA Piper
Also big for poker there the IGC:

Kevin O'Scannlain DLA Piper Interactive Gaming Council
Laura Klaus Greenberg Traurig Interactive Gaming Council
Robert Charrow Greenberg Traurig Interactive Gaming Council
J. Daniel Walsh Greenberg Traurig Interactive Gaming Council

http://www.igcouncil.org/

Greenberg Traurig has an entire division dedicated to gaming

http://www.gtlaw.com/Experience/Industries/Gaming


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Old 11-07-2008, 12:55 AM   #28
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"The proposed regulations appear to stop short of requiring U.S. banks to block cheques their customers make to online casinos, but require banks to halt debit and credit card payments. It also bars US bank customers such as online casinos from receiving Internet gambling proceeds."

So banks will still be able to accept checks from sites?
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Old 11-07-2008, 01:01 AM   #29
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The actual text is what we need. That "should" be in the FR online. Otherwise perhaps the PPA can obtain a pdf of same and host it on their website before those dumasses at G911 do.
from the initial post by TE:

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"It's really remarkable that this administration would try to push this out given the burden it would place on financial institutions at this time of financial crisis," said John Pappas, the executive director of the group.
Pappas is meeting Friday with officials from the OMB, whose job it is to formally implement the regulations, in a last ditch effort to prevent them from being put on the books.
So I would guess PPA has the almost completed regs, though like many things they must be kept private as being given the privilage of being provided the copy.

I say this since Pappas nor the others would be going to a meeting to discuss them without actually having a copy to read first.

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Old 11-07-2008, 01:08 AM   #30
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Yes, blocking checks is completely impractical. The problem is that's terrible for the average player, its like a minimum of two weeks before you can play.

The other problem is that even though the UIGEA says nothing about cashing out of sites its going to make processors and banks more gunshy processing poker transactions. I believe that someone posted a US Bank memo about a month ago that stated policy due to the impending UIGEA was going to be to close the account if gambling transactions were detected. Right now getting payment via check is pretty smooth at Tilt/Stars all things considered.
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