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Old 11-15-2011, 11:16 AM   #16
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Re: Fighting for a change in state gambling regulations

Good luck.

When you contact the PPA, you might ask for information on whoever coordinated the get-out-the-vote campaign that un-seated Rep Leach. The PPA had a hand in that race, I recall them discussing it as a victory.

Regardless, they should be able to point to the boots on the ground coordinator in Iowa who did help defeat Mr. Leach.

Do be careful what you reveal however, the licensed casinos would have no problem dropping a dime on you with the authorities.
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Old 11-15-2011, 05:04 PM   #17
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Re: Fighting for a change in state gambling regulations

DQ: Thank you for your input. I have been contacted by the PPA, and am trying to find a time convienient for both of us to have a phone conversation. I will certainly mention that.

Do you think that casino's would take issue with this? There are several players at my home game who now play semi-regularly at the nearest cardroom, and they would almost certainly NOT playing there if it wasn't for our regular micro-stakes game. It would seem to me that any loosening of gambling regulations would, in the end, benefit the casinos. More players equals more money in the system, and the money always flows to the top, which around here would be the local casinos.

I was planning on posting some links in the Iowa casino discussion threads to whatever form letter or petition I come up with. Maybe not a good idea?
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Old 11-18-2011, 05:39 PM   #18
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Re: Fighting for a change in state gambling regulations

Any tips on what to say where your state does not make an exception for social gambling and you want a change.
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Old 11-18-2011, 11:01 PM   #19
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Any tips on what to say where your state does not make an exception for social gambling and you want a change.
Yes.

You should start an effort to get your state to create a home games exception.

Depending on your specific state the PPA will have some local ability to support your efforts. The National PPA will help too.

Although everything depends on local politics, the argument that folks should be able to play whatever games they want with their friends in the privacy of their own home is a very compelling one to most Americans. But politicians never do anything on their own .... It takes real people willing to spend real time working for it or nothing happens.

If you name your state and promise to do what you can I will write the specific proposed legislation for you to present to your friends, the public, and the politicians.

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Old 11-19-2011, 04:00 PM   #20
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Yes.

You should start an effort to get your state to create a home games exception.

Depending on your specific state the PPA will have some local ability to support your efforts. The National PPA will help too.

Although everything depends on local politics, the argument that folks should be able to play whatever games they want with their friends in the privacy of their own home is a very compelling one to most Americans. But politicians never do anything on their own .... It takes real people willing to spend real time working for it or nothing happens.

If you name your state and promise to do what you can I will write the specific proposed legislation for you to present to your friends, the public, and the politicians.

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Sorry I didn't make myself clear. I know what to do in terms of who to write, but I don't know what to say and I would be grateful and will do all I can. I live in Missouri, but I live near the Kansas border so would like to help my friends there, too. Meaning if you do proposed legislation for that state, I will find a Kansas friend to be the point man there.

My state is so screwed up that we can't do social gambling, but can play poker in casinos. We're so screwed up that we have lotteries and companies can do sweepstakes, but I can't be a paying member of any subscription poker sites.

I've never hosted a home game, but I'd like too and do it without worrying about the cops raiding it if they so choose.
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Old 11-19-2011, 08:49 PM   #21
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Sorry I didn't make myself clear. I know what to do in terms of who to write, but I don't know what to say and I would be grateful and will do all I can. I live in Missouri, but I live near the Kansas border so would like to help my friends there, too. Meaning if you do proposed legislation for that state, I will find a Kansas friend to be the point man there.

My state is so screwed up that we can't do social gambling, but can play poker in casinos. We're so screwed up that we have lotteries and companies can do sweepstakes, but I can't be a paying member of any subscription poker sites.

I've never hosted a home game, but I'd like too and do it without worrying about the cops raiding it if they so choose.
Give me a little time to review the specific laws of both states and I will give you a specific proposal authorizing home games to rally around.

Then you get to do the rallying! Others can help you with that better than me.

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Old 11-20-2011, 10:05 AM   #22
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Re: Fighting for a change in state gambling regulations

Thank you.

To give you an idea of the mentality of those in positition of enforcement in Kansas, here's a link to the FAQ of the appropriate state agency.

http://krgc.ks.gov/index.php?option=...d=42&Itemid=54

The attorney general referenced was, I believe, Phil Kline.

I love when it comes to the skill versus chance argument, they cite one case in one state that said poker is chance and ignore all the cases in other states that said poker is skill.
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Old 11-20-2011, 10:37 AM   #23
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Are poker runs illegal?

A poker run is illegal under Kansas law if it involves the three elements of prize, chance and consideration and if there is no legal exception for it.

Poker runs follow the same basic fact pattern. Specifically, participants pay money to ride (usually motorcycles) in an event where five to seven playing cards are obtained at pre-determined locations. After visiting all of the locations, the participants reconvene to see who obtained the best single poker hand, and that hand wins a prize. Most often, there are lesser prizes for lesser ranked hands.

Because the underlying game is poker, and because poker is a game of chance under Kansas law, the "chance" element is not in question...
1) Kansas seems weird
2) barf/sigh at the bolded, so I'm assuming they also think video poker "is poker", this is a rather serious fundamental problem, though it probably won't impact the way poker is treated
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Old 11-29-2011, 06:10 PM   #24
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Re: Fighting for a change in state gambling regulations

I'm going to be doing the legwork for my state, Missouri, but I'm looking for someone in Kansas to duplicate my effort. Preferably you should be in the Greater Kansas City Area so we can better brainstorm ideas off each other.

PM me if interested.
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