New York Rangers: HAGELINSANITY

[bonsaltron]

Originally Posted by Jezmund

Also, after the '11-'12 season there will probably be a one time buy-out window with no penalty. They can take Redden off the summer cap that way.

I'm pretty sure if NY buys out Redden's contract during the buyout window in June there'll be a salary cap penalty hit for 5 or 6 years. Drury's is due to be 2.5 - 3.5 million over 2 years, I'm not sure what 'one-time buy-out window' you're referring to?

In any event, does anyone think the roster I posted above wouldn't look like a division/conference contender? It's pretty much the epitome of improving NY's bang-for-buck contractual stance, short of hypothetically waiving Derek Boogaard and his $1.625 million salary... oy vey.

Tanguay----B. Richards--------Gaborik
Dubinsky-------Stepan--------Callahan
Fedetenko-----Anisimov-----Zuccarello
Avery------------Boyle-------------Prust
Boogaard----Christensen

Staal, Girardi, Tyutin, Del Zotto, Eminger, Sauer, Mara ... Qvist, Biron

[Jezmund]

Originally Posted by bonsaltron

I'm pretty sure if NY buys out Redden's contract during the buyout window in June there'll be a salary cap penalty hit for 5 or 6 years. Drury's is due to be 2.5 - 3.5 million over 2 years, I'm not sure what 'one-time buy-out window' you're referring to?

In any event, does anyone think the roster I posted above wouldn't look like a division/conference contender? It's pretty much the epitome of improving NY's bang-for-buck contractual stance, short of hypothetically waiving Derek Boogaard and his $1.625 million salary... oy vey.

Tanguay----B. Richards--------Gaborik
Dubinsky-------Stepan--------Callahan
Fedetenko-----Anisimov-----Zuccarello
Avery------------Boyle-------------Prust
Boogaard----Christensen

Staal, Girardi, Tyutin, Del Zotto, Eminger, Sauer, Mara ... Qvist, Biron

When the CBA expires after the '11-'12 season and it is re-negotiated, most places I've been reading including Hockey News say that teams will request a provision written in so that they will be able to buy out players with no penalty over that one summer. If the CBA changes in any significant way, it would probably be necessary so that teams would be able to conform to the new guidelines.

I'm not sure if that lineup is as scary as Philly up front, and leaves something to be desired on the back end as well. Fedotenko has been ok for what he is on this team, but I wouldn't say he was a large piece of the puzzle going forward. Would Eminger want to play for about the same as this season? Would Boyle be happy in a 4th line role even with his production this season?

I think they'd have a decent shot of being a good team with a lineup like that, but I'm not sure they'd be anything close to favorites at the start of the season, especially with Philly and Pittsburgh in the division.

Regardless of whether or not the pull the trigger on Richards, the future is looking bright with guys like Hagelin, Kreider, Fasth, and Borque coming up in the future.

[Etats360]

meh

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[Etats360]

Bons, that team is not a contender in the Atlantic

[bonsaltron]

Originally Posted by Etats360

Bons, that team is not a contender in the Atlantic

It's essentially beefing the team now, upgrading Drury for Richards, Tanguay for Frolov, Tyutin for Rozival, Gilroy for Mara.

Most of the team is kept together, MDZ will be in his 3rd year, Stepan will be in his 2nd, and Lundqvist will be 29/30/31, quite possibly the prime of his career.

Plus there's going to be prospects like Kreider vying for roster spots with the farm NY seems to be developing, I tend to think 'staying the course' and using market upgrades where available is the way to go, being mindful Lundqvist will be 32 and a UFA in 2014. I usually hate gambling on big contracts but wrt or Richards, or even a UFA defenseman, I tend to appreciate the necessity of trying to get a division contender assembled around Gaborik/Lundqvist

[SA16]

sorry guys, ive been to 6 games so far this year and were 0-6

[Triumph36]

Originally Posted by bonsaltron

It's essentially beefing the team now, upgrading Drury for Richards, Tanguay for Frolov, Tyutin for Rozival, Gilroy for Mara.

Most of the team is kept together, MDZ will be in his 3rd year, Stepan will be in his 2nd, and Lundqvist will be 29/30/31, quite possibly the prime of his career.

Plus there's going to be prospects like Kreider vying for roster spots with the farm NY seems to be developing, I tend to think 'staying the course' and using market upgrades where available is the way to go, being mindful Lundqvist will be 32 and a UFA in 2014. I usually hate gambling on big contracts but wrt or Richards, or even a UFA defenseman, I tend to appreciate the necessity of trying to get a division contender assembled around Gaborik/Lundqvist

the rangers have some really good young players. stepan, anisimov, and del zotto have serious potential. so me, i'd be wary of signing a brad richards, who is really good, but who will also be 31. by the time these guys are hitting their primes, richards will be out of his. i guess it can't really be a horrible move what with the drury and rozsival contracts ending soon, but i don't think it's a very good idea. i wonder if marc savard would want to come back to new york?

also paul mara might be the worst defenseman in the NHL, his career should have been over last year. he is horrendous.

[Etats360]

I don't understand, why would we need an UFA defenseman when we already have Cam Fowler waiting in the wings?

[Etats360]

Anyway, I don't know what the best direction for this franchise is. We're really in a weird spot. MDZ sucks and Anisimov is close to his ceiling. We're not gonna be a contender for at least 3 years, at which point Lundqvist, Gabby, Staal, Girardi, and possibly Dubi + Cally will all be UFAs. Maybe we should just tear this mother****er down and rebuild from scratch.

[Effen]

- MDZ doesn't suck. Not the first guy with a sophomore slump.
- Anisimov is 22 and probably not at his ceiling just because he's bc on the 3rd/4th line for 6 weeks. Just sayin.
- We FINALLY have at hard working gritty team that goes to the net reliably after like 15 ****ing years and you think we should tear it down because everyones primes don't coincide like the Oklahoma City Thunder?
- Staal doesn't go UFA for 4 more years.
- Lot can happen in 3 years tho!

Next year we have ~15 million in space to re-up Callahan, Dubinsky, Anisimov, and Boyle. Boyle might get ~1.5 (a 200% increase fwiw), Anisimov coming off his rookie deal is looking at something similar, Dubi and Cally in the 3.5 range each. Gonna be room for 1 impact guy in some form, and our team + that guy right now is 2nd round calibre with reinforcements 1-3 years away all over the place to work in. That's not a team you blow up.

[Triumph36]

effenisright

also you should look into dumping boyle since his performance is unsustainable and he's not actually a good player.

the only issue i have with the rangers going forward is that they don't seem to have any superstar type prospects, but they do have a ton of money coming off the books that won't all go to raises for RFAs. if parise makes it to UFA i know they'll be headed in that direction right quick, but that's july 2012.

[Etats360]

Originally Posted by Effen

- MDZ doesn't suck. Not the first guy with a sophomore slump.

Meh. He's getting less protected minutes than last year and has decent corsi stats, but I just don't see him becoming a legit 1st pairing defenseman that can put up tons of points. He's still prone to making retarded mistakes and has a long way to go before he's a legit top 3 defenseman on a contender.

- Anisimov is 22 and probably not at his ceiling just because he's bc on the 3rd/4th line for 6 weeks. Just sayin.

We have lines?
I see him improving, but not by much.

- We FINALLY have at hard working gritty team that goes to the net reliably after like 15 ****ing years and you think we should tear it down because everyones primes don't coincide like the Oklahoma City Thunder?

wat. I'm just saying that it's gonna be hard to develop this roster into a contender because it's gonna be hard to keep a lot of our key pieces. And you're right that you don't need everyone's primes to match up- in a hard cap league, you need a good mix of UFA, RFA, and EL contracts to build a contender.

- Staal doesn't go UFA for 4 more years.

Whoops. Well, the message is still the same. By the time we can expect to become a really good team, it's gonna be hard to keep our UFAs

- Lot can happen in 3 years tho!

True.

Next year we have ~15 million in space to re-up Callahan, Dubinsky, Anisimov, and Boyle. Boyle might get ~1.5 (a 200% increase fwiw), Anisimov coming off his rookie deal is looking at something similar, Dubi and Cally in the 3.5 range each.

True.

Gonna be room for 1 impact guy in some form, and our team + that guy right now is 2nd round calibre

Is it really a 2nd round calibre team, tho? I don't think our team + Richards is better than Pitt/Phi/Wash/Bos/TB/whatever.

with reinforcements 1-3 years away all over the place to work in. That's not a team you blow up.

By the time those reinforcements get here, half our team will be lost to UFAs. And who are those reinforcements? Kreider, McIlrath, Werek.......Bourque?

Originally Posted by Triumph36

also you should look into dumping boyle since his performance is unsustainable and he's not actually a good player.

Agreed.

the only issue i have with the rangers going forward is that they don't seem to have any superstar type prospects,

That's another major factor. We don't really have a lottery ticket that can push us over the top to become an elite team. Stepan + MDZ + Kreider + McIlrath all need to hit their ceilings.

but they do have a ton of money coming off the books that won't all go to raises for RFAs. if parise makes it to UFA i know they'll be headed in that direction right quick, but that's july 2012.

Why do you think Parise would come to the Rangers? And we don't know how the next CBA will affect the cap and free agency.

[Triumph36]

Originally Posted by Etats360

Meh. He's getting less protected minutes than last year and has decent corsi stats, but I just don't see him becoming a legit 1st pairing defenseman that can put up tons of points. He's still prone to making retarded mistakes and has a long way to go before he's a legit top 3 defenseman on a contender.

he's 21. one of the things that frustrates me lately is that with all the 18 year forwards who come into the league and do well these days, people just assume defensemen will do the same. will mdz be a first-pairing defender? probably not, but he's still likely to be a PP QB who can give you reliable 2nd line minutes.

I see [anisimov] improving, but not by much.

he's a pretty good player and a nice piece to have around.

wat. I'm just saying that it's gonna be hard to develop this roster into a contender because it's gonna be hard to keep a lot of our key pieces. And you're right that you don't need everyone's primes to match up- in a hard cap league, you need a good mix of UFA, RFA, and EL contracts to build a contender.

i disagree - one of the advantages of having no superstar prospects is that you don't have to pay anyone like a superstar. gaborik is a superstar, by the way, though he's not playing like one so far this year.

Is it really a 2nd round calibre team, tho? I don't think our team + Richards is better than Pitt/Phi/Wash/Bos/TB/whatever.

meh. you get lucky, you win some rounds. TB's going to have to dish out crosby/ovechkin money to steven stamkos. boston's going to have a hell of a time keeping their team together. philadelphia's best D are aging right when their best forwards are entering their prime. it's not the NBA.

By the time those reinforcements get here, half our team will be lost to UFAs.

this is ridiculous. you have drury and rozsival coming off the books with their roles likely being replaced internally. that's a cap savings of like 8 million figuring conservatively. sean avery coming off the books will help.

Why do you think Parise would come to the Rangers? And we don't know how the next CBA will affect the cap and free agency.

if it's going to affect the rangers negatively, then it sure as [censored] is going to affect the capitals, penguins, and flyers even worse.

i don't know if parise would come to the rangers but i do know that the rangers need another star forward, they're a big budget team, they should have the money for him, and they'll be on the rise.

[Jezmund]

MDZ is young, and D men take a lot longer to come into their game than forwards do. Last year he looked good early on and then tailed off. The choice last year was either send him back to juniors before he played 10 games in the NHL or keep him on the roster for the year. Now that he's eligible to play for the Whale, it might be the right step in his progression long term. He's a good player, but he's young and inexperienced.

As far as other teams and their caps are going to go, Philadelphia is in serious trouble in that respect, along with other teams. It seems like these days if you get positioned for a cup run and you put all your eggs in one basket, the next year your team gets dismantled... just look at Chicago. (Or you just tank on purpose for years in order to get top picks like Pittsburgh)

I guess my point is that if they're going to sign a guy to be the piece to put them over the top, then next years team isn't that team. Give it another year and see where you're at then. Signing Richards and having him underpreform would possibly take away any chance they have of getting in a position to make a push.

[Etats360]

Originally Posted by Triumph36

he's 21. one of the things that frustrates me lately is that with all the 18 year forwards who come into the league and do well these days, people just assume defensemen will do the same. will mdz be a first-pairing defender? probably not, but he's still likely to be a PP QB who can give you reliable 2nd line minutes.

Do you really see Staal-Girardi-MDZ as the top 3 DMen on a contender?

he's a pretty good player and a nice piece to have around.

He's aiiiiight. But you really need a legit #1 center to be an elite team, and Anisimov isn't one.

i disagree - one of the advantages of having no superstar prospects is that you don't have to pay anyone like a superstar. gaborik is a superstar, by the way, though he's not playing like one so far this year.

One of the disadvantages of not having a superstar prospect is that you don't have a superstar prospect. Moot point though, since we don't have one of these at the moment. Tanking and going BPA in with a high draft pick will help a little bit in that regard.

meh. you get lucky, you win some rounds. TB's going to have to dish out crosby/ovechkin money to steven stamkos. boston's going to have a hell of a time keeping their team together. philadelphia's best D are aging right when their best forwards are entering their prime. it's not the NBA.

There's certainly some value in maintaining a 4th-8th seed roster since you'll inevitable run hot enough to make a deep run. But it's probably not optimal for winning a RANG.

this is ridiculous. you have drury and rozsival coming off the books with their roles likely being replaced internally. that's a cap savings of like 8 million figuring conservatively. sean avery coming off the books will help.

You are forgetting the annual Sather **** up that will eat extra cap space.

if it's going to affect the rangers negatively, then it sure as [censored] is going to affect the capitals, penguins, and flyers even worse.

Meh. The caps got Ovechkin, Green, and Backstrom locked up. The Pens have Crosby and Malkin. The Flyers are young and super deep at forward. I just don't see the Rangers overtaking any of them.

i don't know if parise would come to the rangers but i do know that the rangers need another star forward, they're a big budget team, they should have the money for him, and they'll be on the rise.

Who can they get? Richards? Getzlaf? Zajac?

And I'm just not as high on them right now as everyone else. I think they're closer to the 10th best team in the east than the 6th.