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FIST PUMP

Can people stop whining about the first pitch swigning after walks. Im sick of this mentality that every first pitch has to be taken. If hitters did what fans/brodcasters wanted them to do with first pitchers then first pitches would be strikes 100% of the time because theyde be taken 100% of the time.

It's not like Moyer is havign control problems exactly and has been all over the place, guys have just had good eyes and been drawing walks. After this yes you need to to SHORTEN your strike zone and only swing at a good pitch to hit, but flat out TAKE? and fall behind 0-1 100% of the time? That logic is insane. Im more angry that these guys never DRIVE these first pitches they swing at, than the fact that they swing at them. It's not like theyre wailing away and garbage 5 ft outside the zone.

P.S. During the time it took me to write this 2 guys have homered, perhaps i shoould defend the mets more often? haha

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nice!! keep this shttt goinnnnnn

ugh, now Cora has to triple with 2 outs so he can get stardned and i can STILL walk away from this inning with a bad taste in my mouth, could he have just K'd

Well, I complained after TWO guys walked in a row to start the inning. I would be perfectly happy if the Mets had a rule never to swing at the first pitch in that situation.

And I think a special case can be made to be patient against Moyer. Waiting him out seems to be best strategy.

Seriously though, how many people here read moneyball? Because no where in there did they say hitters should NEVER swing at the first pitch, just that they should be more selective. All the great OBP guys dont have great OBP because they take strikes, they have them because they hit strikes and take balls.

Bob, sometimes batters should swing first pitch after a pitcher is showing control issues because that might be the juiciest pitch of the AB they see and also, it would get predictable and the count would start at 0-1 a decent amount. But that's not usually the case. Fwiw, Moyer was having control problems today, and there is merit to 'forcing him to throw strikes'. The pitches will obviously get better if the count is good for the hitter.

I think another reason why it irks us is because it seems the hitters aren't paying attention to what's going on in the game. It might not be the case, but I don't see why working the count against a strugggling pitcher is a bad thing; either way I think it should be the more 'standard' line taken.

Then, you'd have to be perfect happy with starting every AB after a walk 0-1, because thats what you'd get. Now if someone is having PErez like "omg i cant throw a strike even if i want to problems" fine, but this was not the case. The rule should be to BE SELECTIVE in those situations. The Mets got pitches to hit after those walks and made outs on them. I never hear whining when guys double on the first pitch after walks, only when they make outs.

For the record, the first-pitch swing that Beltran took was a changeup that was left up and he just missed crushing it. I didn't see the Tatis one.

sweet castillo how are we winning this game

i totally disagree with this, this is the way it was when willie was around it sucked ass

i dont mind it at all for our weaker hitters but we have some extremely talented hitters on this team that i want to swing the bat

Exactly. And there is no way if this will be the case or not until AFTER he throws it. All you can do is sit on juicy fastball and if its anything else, try to take it, even if its a strike. But if its the zone and hittable you GOT to swing.

I'll admit i don't remember every out today on first pitch swings after walks and where the pitch was, but if its a fastball down the pipe you gotta swing I'm sorry. Yell at Tatis for not hitting it well rather than the fact that he swung imo.

Yay catsillo!

All this with 2 outs?!?! Sweet.

Great AB by castillo fouling some pitches off.

Is this "grit"?

killer instinct

if the mets hold on to win this game, yes it would classify as a gritty win.

Can we ever CAP the inning with the big hit ever. Even our good innings end with a bad taste in your mouth its so infuriating.

lol that look on moyers face before commercial break was priceless

only if we win the game ldo

You see no reason to take a different approach when the first two guys of an inning are walked, especially against a pitcher who makes a career out of tantalizing batters into swinging against junk to induce ground balls?

Sometimes taking a pitch makes sense.

Well since according to Eric KArros, the Mets are incapable of coming back i guess the bullpen is destined to blow this, sigh

I didn't say it shouldn't change its usually an indicator to be MORE SELECTIVE. IF the greater selectivity RESULTS in you taking a pitch for a strike fine. What you CANNOT do is go up there with the mentality "I am going to take a strike no matter what" When you do that, you get a hitter that never walks because he starts every AB behind in the count and hits .200 because, again, he starts every AB behind in the count.

sigh feliciano

another clutch hit by castillo!!!!!


**** you feliciano

dick

Well, since accoring to PyramidScheme the Mets will score 4 in the top of the 7th, so i guess theyll score 4 in the top of the 7th