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Old Yesterday, 11:38 AM   #10626
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Re: New England Patriots: One for the thumb: Roger that!

yeah, that seems LDO at this point (that BB thinks he's good) but it's...a real simple answer to the question of "why didn't they trade him?" or "why couldn't they work out a team with team X?".

B/c actually good (not "maybe good") young QB's are all but untradeable. it's the most valuable asset in the NFL.

maybe it's just not more complicated than that.

there are of course complications to that wrt salary cap, but that's worth short term pain in exchange for being competitive in the post Brady years.
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Old Yesterday, 12:16 PM   #10627
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I mean the fact is it would be almost impossible to win a SB tying up like $35m into QB, so either they need to move on from Brady after this year, or franchise Jimmy G & move on from him at lesser value than they could have gotten this year.

What we don't know yet is if they think Jimmy G is good enough to move on from Brady if Brady keeps playing like he did this past year.
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Old Yesterday, 12:25 PM   #10628
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I'm not sure what the plan is, but I'll just trust for now.
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Patriots success has turned me into Goodie at this point.
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Old Yesterday, 12:41 PM   #10629
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Old Yesterday, 01:25 PM   #10630
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I mean the fact is it would be almost impossible to win a SB tying up like $35m into QB, so either they need to move on from Brady after this year, or franchise Jimmy G & move on from him at lesser value than they could have gotten this year.
bolded may* be true, but they may be thinking about this in terms of Super Bowl EV over the next 10 years. what does Super Bowl EV look like with or without Jimmy from 2019 - 2029? then compare that to the hit in EV you get from double paying QB's for a couple years.

that may be what they are thinking.


*given Pats have $20m in cap space currently, I think they could have largely duplicated last years roster and come close to having $30m free (and obviously last years roster was good enough to win)

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Old Yesterday, 01:28 PM   #10631
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that may* be true, but they may be thinking about this in terms of Super Bowl EV over the next 10 years. what does Super Bowl EV look like with or without Jimmy from 2019 - 2029? then compare that to the hit in EV you get from double paying QB's for a couple years.

that may be what they are thinking.


*they probably could have largely duplicated last years roster and stayed under the cap by a massive amount last year, and obviously last years roster was good enough
Well, if the plan is to lower equity for a couple years, but raise it for 10, you drop Brady, right?
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Old Yesterday, 01:33 PM   #10632
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Well, if the plan is to lower equity for a couple years, but raise it for 10, you drop Brady, right?
maybe, yeah. but even if you think Jimmy is now equal to Brady, your SB EV is a lot higher with both of them on the roster, so...not sure. they've loaded up the roster to the point where even if Brady goes down they are a legit SB threat. that's pretty unique.

edit: you are still probably better off paying just one QB but the insurance factor is real. hard to say though bc most teams don't find themselves in this position

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Re: New England Patriots: One for the thumb: Roger that!

Brady has a cap hit of $22m in 2018, with $14m dead if they drop him. In 2019 it's also $22m with $7m dead.

So yeah, getting rid of him in 2018 would only free up $8m... but that's still $8m they could use to make the rest of the team better.

I guess maybe they could plan for a transition in 2019...

I don't think there's any scenario where they can both be on the roster in 2019.
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Old Yesterday, 01:41 PM   #10634
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I don't think there's any scenario where they can both be on the roster in 2019.
probably not, but Brady being great 3 full seasons from now would be crazy
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Old Yesterday, 04:57 PM   #10635
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if they are not even entertaining offers, he is here for the long term, imo
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if they are not even entertaining offers, he is here for the long term, imo
The current rumors are that the Pats absolutely do have a price, the Browns just haven't met it...yet.
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Old Yesterday, 05:14 PM   #10637
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The current rumors are that the Pats absolutely do have a price, the Browns just haven't met it...yet.
yeah, I suppose there is always a price. Would they trade Brady for 6 1st rounders? sure!
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Old Yesterday, 07:16 PM   #10638
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Re: New England Patriots: One for the thumb: Roger that!

Dont know if it happened to anyone else but yesterday when Cleveland were on the clock with pick #12 and it flashed on the screen "Cleveland Trade the Pick", for a split second until Texans popped up i thought it was gonna be a jimmy g trade
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The Browns drafted QB DeShone Kizer (Notre Dame) with the #52 pick. So, the Jimmy G trade options seem dead.
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Old Yesterday, 10:06 PM   #10640
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It's truly amazing how often the Pats do something totally different than I expect.
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