The fact that Brady personally dragged the Pats through years of terrible defensive play doesn't have anything to do with the discussion about the current state of the secondary.

Yea because I don't have any money saved up. Im doing just fine.

It is what it is....Maybe we can do small prop bets Ill do to screw around...

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Anyways, Salva...

You think you should of kept Talib over Revis? Since now youd actually have a corner now isntead of nothing....

But as for the zone coverage yea in the new era of this passing league NFL you kinda need to play morepress man coverages otherwise those elite QB will pick apart those zone coverages....

Of course it does. Teams get only so much to spend. Due to spending restrictions, every positional group cannot be strong. The Pats manage to spend money in a way which keeps them competitive every year with many deep playoff runs. That increases the chance of binking superbowls.

They had some really bad drafts preceding and during that period which hurt their overall strength for a while. Since that time they've had some really good drafts, and it's a big part of why they just won the SB. You need cost controlled talent to keep winning because you can't solve every problem by writing a check.*

* Unless you want to either mortgage the future, or suffer through a few really bad years like the Jets just did so you can end up 50mm under the cap.

Hey look. It's the guy who won't honor the self-ban.

Don't forget the all-important "or bink big time on 4th round cornerbacks"

Yea BB and NE will be just fine theyll make it work.

Im telling you BB is going to draft Byron Jones. Ill do a small prop bet that they will. I wanted him to be a Jet once I saw that combine performance. He also has HUGE hands at 10' and long arms.

He didnt run 40 due to toe injury or w.e I bet he would of ran a sub 4.4 with the other numbers he put up he prob flys. Also he went to UCONN so I wonder if he is from CONN and if hes a Pats fan?

I mean you still got Butler who has good technique and ball skills. Arrington accoriding to PFF was playing fantastic at times. What about Logan Ryan? I mean is the secondary really that weak now? Maybe sign a vet to lead that group and move foward?......What you think?


You think with the current state of NE secondary would Dee Milliner be a starter on NE?

Makes me sick top 10 pick (#9 overall) he is riding the bench. He was the rookie on the month in December his rookie year. Just was hurt all last year so Jets don't even know if he will be good or not yet....We got too many corners now so we don't even know if he will even see the field.

Ok im wasted so im talking nonsease at this point so Im going to chill on the posting so I dont aids up the thread tonight....

Man that was a fast month or Salva is a liar.

There were no trade-offs in spending if the Pats actually drafted defensive backs during those years that were actually any good. Unfortunately, almost all completely flat out sucked.

Even I was compelled too much by the Traids-vasion. And were the terms even met? I never checked. If so I will reconsider.


I believed the terms were to state 3 BB moves that you thoroughly disagreed with.

Why is everyone on Salvas case? He a cool dude....

what did he do? Is he worse than me, or am I the all time worst? LOL

It doesn't seem like anyone really knows if that was bad variance, problems with the staff doing the evaluations, or whatever. All we know is the results sucked during that time period, but were good before and have been good since. Especially since we rarely have any early picks, which have less variance. (except for QBs?) Maybe the last few drafts they have just been running good?

But anyway there were still trade-offs in spending. Every year it seems like we have this controversy about how cheap they are by letting someone or other go either to FA or via trade. (Branch, Seymour, Samuel, etc.)

wHAT years are you guys talking about whne drafting defensive backs? Strickly corners or also safties?

Like Darius Butler, Ras-I, Harmon, Wheatley, Tavon Wilson, Chung, Ryan?

Track history of 2nd round corners are really bad lol.

Between 2008 and 2012 the Pats secondary was abysmal, at points historically bad. Branch et al have nothing to do with letting Revis go. He is the asterisk that defaults all discussions about past Patriot defenses. I don't want to have to put this in Sesame Street terms, but this one not like the others.

I went through some previous draft classes on (nepatriotsdraft.com) and boy is the 07' draft god awful. The 09' would of been awful if not for Vollmer and miracle drafting Edleman in 7th round.

Had 4 2nd rounder in 09' and missed on 3 of them damn...I forgot about Ron Brace. Did he even play at all?

@ Salva

This was the easiest decision of all of them Kermit. The only way to get anywhere close to what the Jets offered Revis was to borrow a lot of money from future years. I'm glad they chose not to do that.

Edit: Or pay almost all of their available cap space to Revis this year and next. Which defeats the purpose of "going for it now."

They had a terrible streak starting around 2006 iirc.

Yea Jets had some pretty darn bad ones too....LOL its pretty funny looking back at some draft classes by teams and makes you wonder WTF are they doing paying some of these scouts LMAO!

These scouts literally spend every waking minute scouting these guys, and to be that darn bad some draft classes its halarious.

The Jets 14' draft where we had 12 picks. Literally 2 helped us last year Pryor, Amaro. Which both should be decent. Amaro was the best rookie TE and Pryor played all year out of positon so hopefully Bowles will use him correctly and hell make strides this year. Everyone else was hurt or sucked/cut. Thanks AIDzik!!!

2008:

Terrence Wheatley - garbage
Jonathan Wilhite - garbage

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2009:

Patrick Chung - meh, came back, good in SS in the box, would be garbage back in any other safety role

Darius Butler - very meh, went to Colts, somehow still plays there

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2010: McCourty - yay ---> wtf, what happened --> hmmm.... > yay... >YAY


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2011: Ras - ok, maybe? when? when? eff him

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The rest sit in various states of maybe able to contribute or maybe gone. Right now all were support guys for the previous secondary regime. McCourty is the only good player drafted in the backfield in 7 years and we had to move him to make him good. That SUCKS, sorry.

Are you arguing with yourself about that?

Yup, thats pretty darn pitiful....

Is BB the one making all these decisions? He got total control right? He really, lets be honest isnt much of a genius with drafting and personnel as he is on the field.....He really had some terrible drafts and some awful free agent signings. If he was just a GM, he might of been fired after a few of those draft classes a few years back lol....

You forgot about Tavon, Harmon, Logan Ryan. Who all 3 arent that good.

Also Alfonzo Dennard....Who also is mediocre at best.

They could have brought Revis at this cap number this year and still had cap space. I really hope no Pats ever believes the narrative that Revis at that Jets number would have put the Pats in "cap hell" and therefore we were "right to do it"

Might be you, might be Traids... not sure anymore. But those are facts. But they could have easily had Revis.

What cap number is that? And show your work.

Ne should of went for Kenny Britt.

He had a bounce back year with basically no QB.

"Britt started 13-of-16 games in 2014, catching 48 passes for 748 yards and three touchdowns" - PFT

With Brady those would be 30% better.....I wanted NYJ to get Britt he was a low end salary type guy. I was huge on getting him and everyone trolled me about Britt. But I knew he would be legit. He was a star in Tennessee when he was at 100% and not any off the field issues that was the major red flag with him......And hes only 27 yrs old.

Britt > LaFell

So if LaFell did what he did in NE just imagine what Britt could of done....That's just my opinion....

So I'm guessing NE is going to roll with LaFell being their outside threat? Well there offense is basically schemed around those short 5 yard passes so having Edlman and Amendola is big for BB I guess.

What people are forgetting is the cap is going to 150M next offseason and 160M the next year. So I'm sure NE could of worked it out with Revis. Basically using the extra 20M in cap space to cover Revis GTD $$ and then cut him after the 1st 3 years f the contract....