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Old 11-16-2011, 02:07 PM   #1876
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Re: New England Patriots: Longest Drought in Beantown

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pats beat jets by like 80 points last year in a very important divisional race game. then the jets totally outplayed them in the playoffs. sooooooo, i'm confused?
So am I. The Jets won by seven points in the playoffs last year and they totally outplayed the Pats and the Pats won by 21 and DIDN'T totally outplay the Jets? I don't think that makes sense.

Listen, it's an argument that I think is going to go round and round. The difference between you and me is I always err on the side of optimism for my team and you always err on the side of pessimism.
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Old 11-16-2011, 02:12 PM   #1877
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let's all just be happy about how soft the rest of the regular season schedule is
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Old 11-16-2011, 02:18 PM   #1878
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ok, sorry, i shouldn't have said "no chance" and if you think the steelers are clearly better than the patriots, then at least you're consistent so I have no issue with your opinion except for one thing.

You're putting too much stock in one game. Do I really need to list all the games where a clearly inferior team outplays its opponent? I don't deny that the Pats clearly outplayed the Jets in game 1, and they at the very least made a ton fewer mistakes IN new york in game 2, but we have 7 other games for each team to help determine each team's strength.

I think the Pats are a better team, but just not heads and shoulders better.
When did I reference only one game? It sure looked to me like I referenced 4 games.
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Old 11-16-2011, 02:22 PM   #1879
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It's not that I am always pessimistic, it's just that I try not to just focus on the score, because there is just so much variance in scores. So I look at other things like ypp and turnovers, because those are better gauges of a team's true strength.

Completely outplayed was a poor choice of words to describe the playoff game. I guess I thought it was more of a beatdown. Very slightly outplayed?
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Old 11-16-2011, 02:25 PM   #1880
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let's all just be happy about how soft the rest of the regular season schedule is
sorry, every post in this thread should be "rah rah go pats"
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Old 11-16-2011, 02:30 PM   #1881
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When did I reference only one game? It sure looked to me like I referenced 4 games.
we were talking about the steelers.

as for the jets, i don't know why you care about what happened last year. sure, we may be able to glean SOME information about it as there hasn't been a ton of turnover, but even the colts made the playoffs last year.
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Old 11-16-2011, 02:32 PM   #1882
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sorry, every post in this thread should be "rah rah go pats"
sorry, every post in this thread should be you and goodie bickering
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Old 11-16-2011, 02:46 PM   #1883
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sorry, every post in this thread should be you and goodie bickering
we're not bickering at all. we're engaged in a very civil debate.
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:02 PM   #1884
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It's not that I am always pessimistic, it's just that I try not to just focus on the score, because there is just so much variance in scores. So I look at other things like ypp and turnovers, because those are better gauges of a team's true strength.

Completely outplayed was a poor choice of words to describe the playoff game. I guess I thought it was more of a beatdown. Very slightly outplayed?
All very fair other than the turnovers part. Not sure if you misspoke but I think turnovers is one of the worst gauges of a team's true strength although it does clearly mean something.
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:13 PM   #1885
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so sunday, jets and pats had very similar ypp. turnovers were pretty much the difference in the game.
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:17 PM   #1886
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My Man Dr K (having his best season ever since I started following him--check out those W/L numbers!) has put the Pats back on top of the Packers in his Power Ratings (we had slipped to #2 after the Pittsburgh loss; interestingly, he has NYJ at #6).

So yeah, it's time for every post ITT to say, "Rah rah, go Pats!"

http://www.kambour.net/NFL.html

http://www.kambour.net/NFLPreds.html

(Looking at those numbers, what's the line going to be when the Colts come to town?)
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:22 PM   #1887
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What happened to Buffalo? They're dogs to MIAMI??? I thought they were good?
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:23 PM   #1888
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I don't get Buffalo. They played incredibly well early in the season and just completely self-destructed.
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:46 PM   #1889
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so sunday, jets and pats had very similar ypp. turnovers were pretty much the difference in the game.
I realize that turnovers are a HUGE indication of the outcome of a particular game. However, they are not a huge indication of the strength of a certain team. That's what I was saying.
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Old 11-16-2011, 03:55 PM   #1890
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(Looking at those numbers, what's the line going to be when the Colts come to town?)
I'll go with -17 vs Colts. -14.5 this week vs Chiefs with Tyler Plako (palko?


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I don't get Buffalo. They played incredibly well early in the season and just completely self-destructed.
yeah and it's not even a results based thing where they were getting Wins but everyone knew they were playing bad, like Denver 6-0 a few years ago. there are actually playing good, and have fallen off a cliff
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:08 PM   #1891
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I realize that turnovers are a HUGE indication of the outcome of a particular game. However, they are not a huge indication of the strength of a certain team. That's what I was saying.
I agree mostly. So based on ypp, the two teams are super close, do you disagree? Give an edge to NE for doing it at new york.
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Old 11-16-2011, 04:32 PM   #1892
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I agree mostly. So based on ypp, the two teams are super close, do you disagree? Give an edge to NE for doing it at new york.
I'm not sure I understand ypp to comment to be honest.
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I'll go with -17 vs Colts. -14.5 this week vs Chiefs with Tyler Plako (palko?
I can see that, since we're still under the shadow of the PIT and NYG losses.

But if we tear apart KC and PHL, I'm hoping for a -20, though I know it's a pipe dream.
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Old 11-16-2011, 05:16 PM   #1894
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Re: New England Patriots: Longest Drought in Beantown

what was the biggest spread the team's ever had?

i seem to recall either 22.5 or 23.5 vs. the eagles during the 18-1 season



edit: according to google, the game vs. the eagles had the pats -24 jfc


10-6 against the spread that year

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Old 11-16-2011, 05:21 PM   #1895
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The pats are -14.5 against the Chiefs this week? Christ. I just can't imagine, in today's NFL, taking a line of that magnitude.


Those '07 Pats spreads got more and more ridiculous, presumably because they kept beating them. I think that team opened up either 9-0 or 10-0 vs. the spread, which is arguably more impressive than what they did on the field. Vegas couldn't keep up. Totally insane. Of course things changed quickly after that.

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Old 11-16-2011, 05:36 PM   #1896
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I'm not sure I understand ypp to comment to be honest.
I meant to say "were close" not "are close" to suggest that if you look just at ypp (a decentish indicator) in last week's game, the two teams played fairly close. That's pretty much the whole crux of my "game was much closer than the score indicated" argument.
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:17 PM   #1897
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what was the biggest spread the team's ever had?

i seem to recall either 22.5 or 23.5 vs. the eagles during the 18-1 season



edit: according to google, the game vs. the eagles had the pats -24 jfc


10-6 against the spread that year
and that Eagles team wasn't even bad! in fact they were above average, finishing 8-8, 11th in point differential, 10th in DVOA
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Old 11-16-2011, 06:20 PM   #1898
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and that Eagles team wasn't even bad! in fact they were above average, finishing 8-8, 11th in point differential, 10th in DVOA
IIRC that game was the genesis of the Pats' "blueprint" meme, which continues to this day.
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Old 11-16-2011, 07:53 PM   #1899
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Let's take a little step back and praise all that be the Gronk:

http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-tr...ops-of-week-10

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New England Patriots 37, New York Jets 16

Fabulous: Rob Gronkowski. The Jets have some of the best linebackers and cornerbacks in the league, but they really struggle to cover Gronkowski. How bad of a mismatch was Gronkowski? The Jets actually moved Darrelle Revis off of Wes Welker to cover Gronkowski at times during the second half. The only other tight end in the league that Revis sees reps against is Antonio Gates. Gronkowski was 8-of-11 for 113 yards with two touchdowns, and if not for a stray footstep in the end zone, it would have been three. What he's doing as a red zone threat is unprecedented; teams know the Patriots are going to go to him and still don't seem to have a prayer of stopping him. Gronkowski is now two touchdowns away from becoming just the second tight end in NFL history to score 10 or more touchdowns in back-to-back seasons, a distinction he will also solely share with Gates. And keep in mind that no tight end has ever been able to score more than 10 touchdowns in a season more than three times in his career. Gronkowski's about to do it twice in his first two seasons. This could be the best tight end ever, folks.


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Old 11-16-2011, 08:27 PM   #1900
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Tight ends are taking on a bigger role in today's NFL offenses, though, rookie Jimmy Graham has more yards and TDs than Gronk.
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