I can't believe a play that 71% of the time results in turning the ball over on your own side of the field with roughly a minute to go in the half is better than just punting - which results in a strong likelyhood of going into halftime down 7-3.

And according to all accounts Chung called it on his own. I doubt he's into probability analysis.

I actually liked the call. I think it works a pretty high percentage of the time and I think the offense a needed boost.

My bigger issue with the fake call is it really seems Belichick didn't make the call and I think that's a pretty bad spot leave Chung an option there. That needs to be a coaches call.

I think the fake works much more often than 29% too. But that guys analysis says it only needs to work 29% and I can't wrap my head around how that's possible considering the ramifications of failing to convert.

From what I heard today it's not totally Chung's call. If the Special Teams coach gives the green light,then, its up to Chung to look over the defense and decide whether its on or not.

One crazy rumor that i heard today was that Chung actually didn't call for it but the snapper thought it was on so 10 of the 11 on the field thought it was a punt. God I hope it wasnt that.

I heard that about the snapper but not from any Patriots only from the AM radio guys.

Chung himself said he has the option to call it if he sees a certain set or formation, and he said he made the call himself. This is consistent with what Mesko said so I think it's likely to be true.

i read a point that someone said the pats will b better next year, and i totally agree, and the fun thing is that a lot of the "experts" on said to start this season that the jets are still one year away, so next year could b another very interesting year.

also i went up for the game on sunday and i must say the stadium was very nice, and i was also very very very pleasantly surprised at how nice and friendly 99 percent of the fans were. before the game i had conversations with tons of pats fans and everyone was very freindly, during the game i was chearing and screamin the entire time and most people where giving it right back to me but in a fun way not in a i wna kill you way.
of course there where some people who acted out but thats anywhere you go and i was admitidly being quite raucous.... even after the game i got 1 or 2 congrats go get em next week.

fwiw and i realize probably little cuz none of you guys care. but the fans made it a very pleasant experience and that needs to be commended...see you guys next year!

Things are very different in foxboro now. Back when i had tickets in the 70's you would get stabbed in the parking lot.(i personally had my ear almost cut off had to go to the emergency ward to get it sewn back on). They banned Monday nite games for years after a jets game because of that. Now the Krafts will yank you season ticket if you or even the person you gave it to, acts inappropriately. And the list takes years, ask Goodie how long it took him to get a season ticket. anyway glad you had a good experience.

Finding 3-4 OLBs coming out of college who can defend the run, rush the QB and drop back into coverage seems really tough. It's probably easier just to draft a few extra DLs.

Glad to hear you had a good experience. There were actually a whole section of Jets fans two sections over from us celebrating after the game. In the old days, that would have been a brawl but people let them have thier fun. I actually felt pretty happy for them considering how long you guys have suffered.

As I've said in other threads, I would rooting for the Jets at this point if they didn't have such dispicable human beings with no class on the team.

Oh, and what's up with the change in title for this thread? Who's responsible for that foolishness?

Ya title should have been changed to, New England Patriots: Too Goodie Too Be True

But ya a mod changing the title like that without at the least taking credit for it is pretty weak sauce and whoever did it should get a temp ban for trolling.

But in a sense it's a sign of respect cause if the Pats hadn't been so dominent for a decade nobody that wasn't a Pats fan would care all that much about the loss.

The problem is they need OLB's like that to be able to run their 3-4 system so I don't see how extra DL's are going to help.

I don't care if they get them via the draft, bundling picks, trading picks, free agency - whatever. They need to address it somehow or switch back to primarily 4 down lineman. And Wilfork has shown this year he's pretty versatile so even though that's not likely it's probably not a terrible option.

Brady is having surgery, though he should be ready for training camp.

He's had a stress fracture in his right foot since November.

ESPN.com: Tom Brady to have foot surgery

orly?

lol if u think we peaked too early.

Just want to chime in about the excellent thread title.

I would like to say that I approve of the thread title as well. Unfortunately, it rings true.

A+ thread title, F- way to end the season. I've stayed away from SE for most of this week for the sake of my own sanity, but looking forward to discussion about the offseason and where the Pats go from here.

yeah, the thread title is incredible. if that was your own creation jbrochu, outstanding work.

salva, i understand what you mean. i took a couple days off myself. but then i kept telling myself that even if the pats were the best team in the league, they were still only probably 25% or so to win the SB at best. it's been weird as a boston sports fan recently. we've been really good, but haven't been good enough to bring home championships. our rungoodbox has short-circuited. I wouldn't even say we've "run bad." Maybe a little below expectation, but not awful. such is life. i'd rather be a fan of a team that goes 14-2, favorite to win the SB, and choke it away, then a fan about 20 other franchises who might get one shot every 10 years and then head back to mediocrity.

as for where the pats go, i'm not convinced we need THAT much retooling. i firmly believe this: the patriots were the best team heading into the playoffs. were the jets the better team last week? sure, but if they played again this week, i think the pats would be favored by about a TD. you know the defense is going to be much better next year. the offense, maybe a little worse. but i feel very confident that barring a major injury to brady, or a couple OL guys, we will be a top 5 team next year.

Are the Patriots really a better "team" than the Jets. Hard to argue they are not after beating them 45-3 earlier. But break it down using these categories: Offensive line (edge Jets), running backs (edge Jets), WR (Jets), TE (Patriots), QB (Pats) defensive line (Jets), linebackers (edge Jets) and defensive backs(Jets).

Morph TE with WR and receivers are probably a wash, so the only advantage to the Pats (and its of course the most important position) is at QB. So the Jets come up with a game plan with 11 DB's on the active roster and as many as 7 in the game at the same time to take away Brady and we get beat at every other matchup.

Forgot Special Teams, edge to jets there too.

disagree with RBs, O-line, and special teams. Did you forget about Nick Jolk?

FYP. Jets have the two best offensive linemen in football at their respective positions. And they are 26. Agree with you on the RB's and special teams though.

Those are definitely debateable. But Greene/LT combined for 1680 yds where lawfirm/woody combined for 1555. Special teams is more than a FG kicker. After two long TD runs early in the year Tate didn't impress me and our coverage was bad at times.

Our ST is more than just good FG kicking and "just" Tates 2 KR for TDs. Edelman returned a punt for a TD and had several other long punt returns, not to mention 2 other ST TDs off FG and and punt blocks, and didnt give up a single blocked kick/punt or return for TD. Obviously there isnt perfect info to go off of for STs but we made a ton of big plays this year on STs and didnt give up hardly any big plays.

lol