Minnesota Vikings - MVPETERSON!

[willie24]

it really wouldn't be that hard to hire a good no-namer. unless you are an idiot. then it would be. and zygi might be i guess. most owners probably are. (in the coach-hiring sense i mean)

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by cha59

chilly's posts are getting better. I wonder who made the gimmick account? Is it suzzer?

It is not.

Btw I'm not sure what A-list coach the Vikes are going to be able to attract w/o a franchise QB and a defense that might be a little past its prime.

[willie24]

when discussing coach hiring/firing decisions i think the first thing you have to identify is - what does a coach do? where does he have a big impact? i don't really see personnel decisions being that big a deal since there's not a lot of difference between, like, the 15th and 85th percentiles of coaches with regard to that...and they already have spielman who is probably average at worst. so what is it that you look for in a coach?

[SarcasticRat]

Originally Posted by cha59

I'm going to propose the new title of this thread be "We want Cowher".

Thoughts?

Thread title still hasn't been accomplished yet imo.

[suzzer99]

Interesting take from Peter King. I think he's best when talking about these kind of macro-NFL issues.

You're an owner, and you want to make a coaching change for 2011. Here's what you're thinking about as this disappointing (presumably) season winds down:

1. There's a very good chance the new coach won't have access to the players beginning in March, when a potential lockout would happen. He may not have access to the players until a new labor deal is signed, which seems more and more like it won't happen until at least the summer. And that's being optimistic.

2. The new coach won't be able to work with his new staff very much either, because most teams will put assistant coaches on varying part-time contracts. The new coaches won't be in the building much, if at all, during a work stoppage.

3. The big-name coaches -- Bill Cowher, Jon Gruden -- will be in play. But will you want to lock them in at a big number for 2011 if you're not sure when or if you'll be playing football?

"What all that means,'' one head coach not on the hot seat told me Friday, "is an advantage for the in-house candidate unlike there's ever been. Financially and functionally, the top coordinator makes sense more than it ever has.''


Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz1640KbsCD

[Pudge714]

Originally Posted by SarcasticRat

Thread title still hasn't been accomplished yet imo.

I am worried Cowher will make us play 3-4. We don't have 3-4 personnel and we still have tons of defensive talent. Pipedream is Fisher, slightly more realistic pipedream is Gruden.

[SL__72]

Random anecdote:

I was so pissed when Tomlin, noted Tampa-2 expert, went to Pittsburgh, looked at their talent (including DC Dick LeBeau) and said, we're gonna keep running the 3-4. From day 1 (his signing as DC that is) I suspected he'd make a great head coach and was hoping he'd replace Childress after a season or two. And I was seriously sweating his many HC interviews that offseason and pissed when he rivered the Steelers job but when that happened I was like "****! How'd we let this guy go?"

[willie24]

kind of the same thing happened with dungy. i remember wanting dungy to replace green. not because green did anything to deserve firing, but just because dungy was better. that was when i was too young to realize that it doesn't work that way. i guess i get why it doesn't work that way, but, i don't know. i'm not convinced it's an unbreakable rule.

[BillNye]

didnt tomlin first say he planned to implement the 4-3 over time, then later was swayed otherwise?

[knivesout]

from a packer fan, with love

[ACG2x]

For anyone who wants Gruden, let me share some insight with you. I've been a big Bucs fan for many years and followed the team religously throughout his tenure. Gruden would be a terrible choice imo due to the demands he places on his QB's.

Gruden's system is incredibly complex and requires the QB in it to make many reads at the line and be a second coach on the field. If Tavaris (or Webb) will be the starting QB next year, they would die in Gruden's system. See Chris Simms and Bruce Gradkowski for more insight on this.

Granted, neither would ever be confused with a dependable NFL QB and I would rather have T-Jax running my offense than either one, but the point is that while Gruden is a solid coach, he's not really a great teacher. His system is dependant on the QB knowing how to adjust to the flow of a game, something which I'm doubting Tavaris would be able to do and Webb def. wouldn't be able to - at least not right away.

This is the same reason why veterans like Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson thrived under Gruden while the aforementioned younger guys struggled. As fun as his intensity would be, it would be overshadowed by his brutal demands on his QB's - demands neither likely starting QB next year would be able to meet.

I Gruden and always will since he brought my Bucs a Super Bowl, but he's the wrong coach for MIN imo due to his inability to develop the most important position on the field. A Gruden-coached team needs a guy in this position who is already established as a veteran starter.

[EvilSteve]

Originally Posted by ACG2x

A Gruden-coached team needs a guy in this position who is already established as a veteran starter.

What, did he say he was going to retire?

[Schwatt]

Cowher is probably the safest play, but Gruden would be the most entertaining.

Cowher>Gruden>Parcells>Harbaugh>Fisher>Frazier>Fox >Billick IMO

What is with all the love for Jeff Fisher?

Don't even discuss Dungy plz, there is a <1% chance he coaches again.

[vixticator]

Originally Posted by Pudge714

I am worried Cowher will make us play 3-4. We don't have 3-4 personnel and we still have tons of defensive talent. Pipedream is Fisher, slightly more realistic pipedream is Gruden.

Gruden will coax Favre out of his 6th retirement

[cha59]

Originally Posted by SL__72

Random anecdote:

I was so pissed when Tomlin, noted Tampa-2 expert, went to Pittsburgh, looked at their talent (including DC Dick LeBeau) and said, we're gonna keep running the 3-4. From day 1 (his signing as DC that is) I suspected he'd make a great head coach and was hoping he'd replace Childress after a season or two. And I was seriously sweating his many HC interviews that offseason and pissed when he rivered the Steelers job but when that happened I was like "****! How'd we let this guy go?"

Originally Posted by willie24

kind of the same thing happened with dungy. i remember wanting dungy to replace green. not because green did anything to deserve firing, but just because dungy was better. that was when i was too young to realize that it doesn't work that way. i guess i get why it doesn't work that way, but, i don't know. i'm not convinced it's an unbreakable rule.

^^I wanted to keep the assistant in both of these cases too.

With Green, he was starting to wear out his welcome around the time Dungy left if I remember correctly. I always liked Dungy since he was a QB for the Gophers.

With Tomlin, I liked him in his brief stay here, and I had seen enough of Chilly about 3/4 of the way through his first season - I wanted him fired after his 2nd loss to GB in his 1st season. I was hoping they'd see the light - that he was the second coming of Les Steckle. Too bad it took Zygi so long to figure that one out.

I've been waiting for this day to come for way too long!!

Originally Posted by ACG2x

For anyone who wants Gruden, let me share some insight with you. I've been a big Bucs fan for many years and followed the team religously throughout his tenure. Gruden would be a terrible choice imo due to the demands he places on his QB's.

Gruden's system is incredibly complex and requires the QB in it to make many reads at the line and be a second coach on the field. If Tavaris (or Webb) will be the starting QB next year, they would die in Gruden's system. See Chris Simms and Bruce Gradkowski for more insight on this.

Granted, neither would ever be confused with a dependable NFL QB and I would rather have T-Jax running my offense than either one, but the point is that while Gruden is a solid coach, he's not really a great teacher. His system is dependant on the QB knowing how to adjust to the flow of a game, something which I'm doubting Tavaris would be able to do and Webb def. wouldn't be able to - at least not right away.

This is the same reason why veterans like Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson thrived under Gruden while the aforementioned younger guys struggled. As fun as his intensity would be, it would be overshadowed by his brutal demands on his QB's - demands neither likely starting QB next year would be able to meet.

I Gruden and always will since he brought my Bucs a Super Bowl, but he's the wrong coach for MIN imo due to his inability to develop the most important position on the field. A Gruden-coached team needs a guy in this position who is already established as a veteran starter.

Maybe you're right about that, but I hope we have someone besides Jackson or Webb starting next season. I would love to see Webb improve enough to be considered for starting QB, but I think he's a few years away.