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11-02-2015 , 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by PlayON
You may well be right and I have no doubt that the question will be answered when more meaningful statistical analysis can be performed.

But do you not think that it is possible that a typical office worker who plays casually and picks his team on a Wednesday might be put off playing for cash if he feels that his chances are significantly reduced by not being online an hour before the matches kick off?
Anyone who does their team on a Wednesday and expects it to have 11 starters would be burning money. It's clear that "Rush Hour" is essential to anyone playing for real money. Isn't it more about education than most other things?

If the site was concerned, why not email people who have lineups selected at 2pm on game day with an alert that player x, y and z are not starting, but are selected?
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11-02-2015 , 09:17 AM
imo a good way to do it would be to allow people to set predetermined transfers or subs so that if someone is not 100% nailed on to start you can set a transfer just in case

that way people could create lineups whenever and not worry about being at a computer just before kickoff
it would also get rid of some of the issues with late swap, e.g. people wouldn't be able to make swaps after they have already seen everyone else's lineups (which is obv pretty advantageous for sharks/people with sick software skills)

people are already used to having a sub bench in fpl so it wouldn't be too confusing
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11-02-2015 , 10:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Goldenjew
Anyone who does their team on a Wednesday and expects it to have 11 starters would be burning money. It's clear that "Rush Hour" is essential to anyone playing for real money. Isn't it more about education than most other things?

If the site was concerned, why not email people who have lineups selected at 2pm on game day with an alert that player x, y and z are not starting, but are selected?
I will have to agree and anyone that can not dedicate few hours before kick-off to see actual team line up's/formations will find DFS a struggle.

Regardless of one being casual or experienced it is a grind doing home work on teams & players to break even. Let alone become consistently long term profitable.

New players should be encouraged but also informed the difference between season games, sports betting and DFS. Having non-starting players in one's line up is a major turn off and that happening regularly can not be good for all.

If anyone finds a site or national paper which predicts team line-up's with 90% accuracy do let us know. I have checked thoroughly and it does not exist. The only 100% method is seeing team line-up's officially announced.

Here is a good example from Game Week 11. Sterling did not play and Jones likewise which will have been in most line-up's if people picked according to the paper's prediction. So many they have got wrong too, they are not the only one's who struggle at this. What chance the casual player ?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...match-previews

Last edited by Garrincha67; 11-02-2015 at 10:18 AM.
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11-02-2015 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by TWhelan
imo a good way to do it would be to allow people to set predetermined transfers or subs so that if someone is not 100% nailed on to start you can set a transfer just in case

that way people could create lineups whenever and not worry about being at a computer just before kickoff
it would also get rid of some of the issues with late swap, e.g. people wouldn't be able to make swaps after they have already seen everyone else's lineups (which is obv pretty advantageous for sharks/people with sick software skills)

people are already used to having a sub bench in fpl so it wouldn't be too confusing
I like this idea - choose one sub for each position or something.
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11-02-2015 , 10:35 AM
There's points to agree with on both sides here.

I personally believe that while having a "late-swap" style system is obviously of benefit to players like us, it's just too advantageous. As the Play On rep stated, the industry needs to protect the casual player in order to survive (both the Sites and the Professional Players) and as such we need to close the skill gap a bit. Of course the casual player setting his line up on a Wednesday is burning money, but if he loses to quickly, he may never come back, and thus the economy suffers. The Sites and Players need to give the Casual a taste of winning, so that they continue to return and make consistent Deposits.

Employee an automated Email system warning players of non-Starters in pre-set line up is a definitely something that should be looked into. That will close up the skill gap between that Wednesday casual and the Professional Player in "Rush Hour", benefiting the Economy and thus the Site itself. I'd be surprised if it wasn't worth the investment.
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11-02-2015 , 10:42 AM
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Originally Posted by MediocrePlayer2.0
I guess the question is will all the donks who bet a 5'r on "random defender to score first + 1-0" to get 50:1 parlay or whatever want to play DFS.

On the one hand, UK'rs are degens. On the other hand, they're already used to walking into a bookie and filling out a slip for some ridiculous parlay. They really want to fill out 11 man rosters?
Filling 11 man roosters will not be the issue. It is more like people realizing DFS player salary caps are not fool proof and exploitable. I will not rule out seeing bigger prize pools and an uptake in paying customers in the UK.

The biggest seasonal (paid game) prize here run by a national paper is 200k and they include scoring for all the domestic cup competition and also champions league & Europa games. A proper lottery for thousands of entrants!

Guess what they have offered now weekly games with top prizes of 2k and 10k for the last two seasons. Their customers look ripe for the picking by Mondo, DK and other sites.
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11-02-2015 , 10:46 AM
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Originally Posted by thesilkworm
I like this idea - choose one sub for each position or something.
Here is the one site that has covered its bases. They just need more exposure so as to attract players.

http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.u...g-fantasy-bet/
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11-02-2015 , 10:49 AM
The obvious answer is to create an additional filter in the competition lobby so that you can choose late swap/no late swap contests. What impact this might have on total entries is hard to say but it would be a good indicator.

Line-ups are now being published here:

http://confirmedlineups.com/premier-league

Maybe they will look to set-up an SMS service in which you could submit a list of players then get a message informing you of any non-starters or something like that.
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11-02-2015 , 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by GrimIsCool
There's points to agree with on both sides here.

I personally believe that while having a "late-swap" style system is obviously of benefit to players like us, it's just too advantageous. As the Play On rep stated, the industry needs to protect the casual player in order to survive (both the Sites and the Professional Players) and as such we need to close the skill gap a bit. Of course the casual player setting his line up on a Wednesday is burning money, but if he loses to quickly, he may never come back, and thus the economy suffers. The Sites and Players need to give the Casual a taste of winning, so that they continue to return and make consistent Deposits.

Employee an automated Email system warning players of non-Starters in pre-set line up is a definitely something that should be looked into. That will close up the skill gap between that Wednesday casual and the Professional Player in "Rush Hour", benefiting the Economy and thus the Site itself. I'd be surprised if it wasn't worth the investment.

Here is how your encourage and protect new or casual players.

1. Beginner's cash or GPP games which restricts experienced and heavy volume players.

2. Games with single entry only restricted or open to all.

3. Decent bonus on first deposit.

4. Flash Mode single entry open to all where you are given just 3 minutes to make a pick.

It goes without saying decent free rolls to build bankroll.
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11-02-2015 , 11:17 AM
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Originally Posted by Britton
The obvious answer is to create an additional filter in the competition lobby so that you can choose late swap/no late swap contests. What impact this might have on total entries is hard to say but it would be a good indicator.

Line-ups are now being published here:

http://confirmedlineups.com/premier-league

Maybe they will look to set-up an SMS service in which you could submit a list of players then get a message informing you of any non-starters or something like that.
Yes, the additional filter gives players option and the results of what is preferred can be gleaned in time.

I used confirmed line up at the weekend and very nice. Normally use Flash Score app and twitter feeds like this.

https://twitter.com/TwitterUK/lists/...r-league-clubs
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11-02-2015 , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Garrincha67
Yes, the additional filter gives players option and the results of what is preferred can be gleaned in time.

I used confirmed line up at the weekend and very nice. Normally use Flash Score app and twitter feeds like this.

https://twitter.com/TwitterUK/lists/...r-league-clubs
Twitter feeds are very good...we did an article on the value of twitter lists recently ... MLS & UCL clubs can be found here in addition to EPL clubs

https://twitter.com/FFPortal/lists
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11-02-2015 , 01:05 PM
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Originally Posted by Garrincha67
I will have to agree and anyone that can not dedicate few hours before kick-off to see actual team line up's/formations will find DFS a struggle.

Regardless of one being casual or experienced it is a grind doing home work on teams & players to break even. Let alone become consistently long term profitable.

New players should be encouraged but also informed the difference between season games, sports betting and DFS. Having non-starting players in one's line up is a major turn off and that happening regularly can not be good for all.

If anyone finds a site or national paper which predicts team line-up's with 90% accuracy do let us know. I have checked thoroughly and it does not exist. The only 100% method is seeing team line-up's officially announced.

Here is a good example from Game Week 11. Sterling did not play and Jones likewise which will have been in most line-up's if people picked according to the paper's prediction. So many they have got wrong too, they are not the only one's who struggle at this. What chance the casual player ?

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...match-previews

I know i'm stating the obvious but teams aren't required to hand in their team sheet to match official until 60 mins before kick off - and the opposition getting that info before is obviously going to be an advantage to them. 'Predicting' the team starting line up is part of the skill IMO. Man City have a big CL game this week so resting a big name player in what should have been a routine win wasn't completely off the radar. To me it's no different to predicting whether a player is likely to get subbed earlier than usual for that same reason.

I think we are treading a dangerous line with auto subs. Are we talking about correcting injured players or players that don't start the match? what if a player comes off the bench? They can come on after just 5 minutes or for the LAST 5 minutes.
I've seen a team go on to win a GPP on mondo after their player came off the bench after 18 mins to score a brace, If I recall I think it was Rakitic for Barca in a CL game?

Last edited by heartbreak kid; 11-02-2015 at 01:12 PM.
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11-02-2015 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Garrincha67
If anyone finds a site or national paper which predicts team line-up's with 90% accuracy do let us know. I have checked thoroughly and it does not exist. The only 100% method is seeing team line-up's officially announced.

http://www.theguardian.com/football/...match-previews
The guardian got 26 wrong from 18 teams. 18*11=198 players to calculate.
18 wrong out of 198 = 13% wrong from Guardian.

City: 2 wrong
Norwich: 3 wrong
Swansea: 0
arsenal: 0
WBA: 0
Lei: 1
Pal: 3
MUN: 3
Sou: 0
Bou: 2
Eve: 2
Sun: 4
New: 0
Sto: 0
Che: 2
LIV: 1
Wat: 1
WHU: 2

FFS (http://www.fantasyfootballscout.co.uk/team-news/) got 15 wrong from 18 teams. Thats 7.57% wrong so far or 92.43% correct.

Arsenal: 0
Swa: 0
CHE: 2
Liv: 1
Pal: 1
MCI: 1
Nor: 3
New: 0
STO: 1
Wat: 0
WHU: 1
WBA: 1
LEI: 1
Eve: 1
Sun: 2
SOU: 0
Bou: 0

Not only that, but when picking your teams, if you aren't going to be around to make changes, then you have to factor in the likelyhood of a player getting rotated. Certain players are nailed on, whilst others aren't. For example Giroud was obviously nailed on this week with Theo out, whilst Sterling whilst likely to play, was not nailed on, probably more likely 75% to play, so you factor it in.
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11-02-2015 , 02:12 PM
DK slate is up. Looks like slightly higher guarantees..
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11-02-2015 , 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by thesilkworm
I like this idea - choose one sub for each position or something.
Seems a bit exploitable but I like the idea too.
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11-02-2015 , 03:12 PM
Even less idea where I'm gonna get stats for non-English sides for CL. Europe is just way behind the times for sports related stats. And they only have 1 sport!
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11-02-2015 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by wazzu24
And they only have 1 sport!
lol no

football is obv the main one though and it is way behind where it should be in terms of analytics, you're right
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11-02-2015 , 07:42 PM
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Originally Posted by wazzu24
Even less idea where I'm gonna get stats for non-English sides for CL. Europe is just way behind the times for sports related stats. And they only have 1 sport!
The detailed analytics is done when the season is over and you have annual detailed statistics books published by the Racing Post etc... You can order them from Amazon or direct from their website.

Not much stuff around for daily fantasy except Champions and Europa league competition preview by Racing Post and World Soccer Magazine. The UEFA site does the basics

Good read here. http://grantland.com/the-triangle/so...=story-twitter
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11-03-2015 , 12:03 AM
we need to get the mondogoal rep on this forum. So that we can have constructive feedbacks on how to fix their site. It would be a nice start if they can allow us to pick a team on a mobile platform. It is the most frustrating thing when you have picked a team and finally press save and nothing happens. It doesn't matter how many times you hit save, it won't budge a bit. They have to get this right. we all can't be sitting in front of a computer to pick teams all the time.
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11-03-2015 , 09:02 AM
Hi all,

New to soccer DFS here, trying to find stats for mondogoal scoring (and failing hard). For example, I'd like to find something similar to this for Mondogoal scoring for Premier League (or other leagues). Just to check how many points everydoby has scored so far. Any help much appreciated. Thanks!
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11-03-2015 , 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Jean
Hi all,

New to soccer DFS here, trying to find stats for mondogoal scoring (and failing hard). For example, I'd like to find something similar to this for Mondogoal scoring for Premier League (or other leagues). Just to check how many points everydoby has scored so far. Any help much appreciated. Thanks!
Click into a contest then scroll down to the bottom and you should have the option to export the full player list into a CSV. This gives you all the splits.
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11-03-2015 , 09:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Jean
Hi all,

New to soccer DFS here, trying to find stats for mondogoal scoring (and failing hard). For example, I'd like to find something similar to this for Mondogoal scoring for Premier League (or other leagues). Just to check how many points everydoby has scored so far. Any help much appreciated. Thanks!
When you enter a contest at the bottom of the page should be a downloadable CSV file with all the player stats according to their scoring system.
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11-03-2015 , 09:34 AM
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Originally Posted by gunner09
we need to get the mondogoal rep on this forum. So that we can have constructive feedbacks on how to fix their site. It would be a nice start if they can allow us to pick a team on a mobile platform. It is the most frustrating thing when you have picked a team and finally press save and nothing happens. It doesn't matter how many times you hit save, it won't budge a bit. They have to get this right. we all can't be sitting in front of a computer to pick teams all the time.
You can talk to them on Twitter and send message to support. This was their response to me:

'We agree, just a matter of balancing priorities. Mobile App development is near the top right now'

As I mentioned few weeks ago, price on GPP gone up from £2, £3 and now £5. Good luck to them in filling it and offering bigger prize pools. The site all around should be fixed first before increases in contest buy-in's. Especially after the weekend's debacle with the server.
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11-03-2015 , 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Garrincha67
When you enter a contest at the bottom of the page should be a downloadable CSV file with all the player stats according to their scoring system.
Oh great, thanks! What's up with everybody having 0/1 matches played in the UCL? Why not 3?
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11-03-2015 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Jean
Oh great, thanks! What's up with everybody having 0/1 matches played in the UCL? Why not 3?
Yes, they have a lot of niggling issues to sort out. It has been like that from the start of the season. Scores not updating, players missing from list, wrong stats etc... Not even drop down menu to sort GPP, cash, h2h and free roll games. In short, a clunky frustrating site.

Best to play around the site without much heavy volume till all is sorted.
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