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Old 03-05-2014, 06:12 PM   #26
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Re: $50 Fantasy Baseball Keeper

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Daily changes with a weekly cap to adds to stop steaming of pitchers obviously.
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also prefer 12 teams.
(i could probably find at least 1 person to join if we come up short from here)
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Old 03-05-2014, 06:50 PM   #27
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Couple other things to consider:

--What if you have multiple players that you wan to keep in the same round? Only allowed if you have multiple picks (assuming draft pick trades are a yes) that round? Or can move players forward a round?

IMO if ends up being same round, the lower one drops a round so a 3rd and 2nd round keeper both end up as 1st round. It would cost you your 1st and 2nd round picks.

--What happens when a players draft round escalates to 1st round? Only 1 first rounder can be kept?
Stays as a 1st round keeper and if multiple then one drops a round like above. So cost is 1st and 2nd pick.

--Are undrafted FA's kept with the same status as guys drafted in the last round, or do they start off in an earlier round?

I would think this would have to be voted on. In my football keeper league we assign FAs as 8th round keepers.

--When players are traded does their keeper round status carry over to a new team? (it should imo)
Definitely.

--If a player is originally drafted, but then dropped, and picked up by a new team that same year, is his keeper value based on that of a normal FA, or when he was drafted?
When drafted

Only mentioning these because they cropped up in both longterm keepers im in and its better to figure it out before the season begins.
See bolded for my thoughts.
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Old 03-05-2014, 07:23 PM   #28
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Couple other things to consider:

--What if you have multiple players that you wan to keep in the same round? Only allowed if you have multiple picks (assuming draft pick trades are a yes) that round? Or can move players forward a round?

i think just 1 player per round, and yes you need that pick to keep that player. i wouldnt be opposed to being able to move a player up 1 round if you traded the pick, but not to keep 2 players of the same round


--What happens when a players draft round escalates to 1st round? Only 1 first rounder can be kept?

i would think yes, only 1 player per round. i think that adds some strategy to trading for 1st rders. i also see being able to keep a 1st rder as a 2nd as kind of a loop hole

--Are undrafted FA's kept with the same status as guys drafted in the last round, or do they start off in an earlier round?

id say last round, and maybe there's a cap as to how many of these kinds of players you can keep? so you cant keep 5 FAs and only lose your last 5 picks, id say maybe there should be a cap at 3? if we do 5 keepers

--When players are traded does their keeper round status carry over to a new team? (it should imo)

agree, should carry over


--If a player is originally drafted, but then dropped, and picked up by a new team that same year, is his keeper value based on that of a normal FA, or when he was drafted?

i say when drafted


Only mentioning these because they cropped up in both longterm keepers im in and its better to figure it out before the season begins.
my thoughts in bold. ideally i want a league where there's more strategy around the draft, and requires drafting strategy for keepers.

ill get more people's thoughts through the week and put together a total list of my proposed rules so we can square everything away.
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Old 03-05-2014, 07:28 PM   #29
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Re: $50 Fantasy Baseball Keeper

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I agree with all those except the first one..
I think forcing owners to move players a forward a round (say from Rd4 to Rd3 if two 4th rounders want to be kept) will promote more player turnover.

If youre allowed to keep 2 first rounders (one in the 1st and another in the 2nd) then you could conceivably accumulate 4 first rounds players and actually get a huge discount on a couple of them... I mean I honestly dont mind being able to move a player back or forward most rounds, but in the first I feel like you should only get to keep more than 1 player if you have more than one 1st round pick.

Similarly if you trade a draft pick, and decide you want to keep a player that round, I like the idea of having to keep the player in an earlier round where the owner has a pick available.

Otherwise you could just keep trading away picks in rounds you have keepers to get a discount on where you keep them.



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Agree with mostly everything, except in future yrs might run into a problem where one keeper is moving up rounds, into the same round where a player drafted that season would be kept.
So they'd have the same keeper same round cost, but would not have been *drafted* the same round.
I dont mind allowing owners to take a small penalty by moving one player forward to an earlier round in that case. They wouldnt be able to game the system dont think (as could be exploited if you were allowed to move players to later rounds)

Also I like your idea for a cap on # of FAs that can be kept.

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Old 03-05-2014, 07:33 PM   #30
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Re: $50 Fantasy Baseball Keeper

I'm cool with pretty much all of this. Def want hr in there. I guess I'm in the minority for wanting a standard waiver instead of faab but not a big deal. Do we carry over extra faab $ from year to year? Just to clarify we dont sign players to actual contracts correct? I got super lost in a dynasty league last year with that format. Basically we just keep 5 players or whatever and lose an increasing draft pick depending on # of years kept and where they drafted, right?
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Old 03-05-2014, 07:34 PM   #31
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Re: $50 Fantasy Baseball Keeper

Nevermind. I get it. Thanks!
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Old 03-05-2014, 07:36 PM   #32
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Thing is there as it is now we will only have 5 keepers. If you manage to get 3+ players that have 1st round keeper value and are still worth keeping...kudos to you.
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Old 03-05-2014, 07:48 PM   #33
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Any ideas about the draft time atm?
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Old 03-05-2014, 07:59 PM   #34
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Thing is there as it is now we will only have 5 keepers. If you manage to get 3+ players that have 1st round keeper value and are still worth keeping...kudos to you.
I understand you point, but this leads to leagues dissolving sooner than they would otherwise in my experience.

Its basically just a less obvious version of just keeping your 5 best players with no cost penalty.
Eventually all the first round talent gets hoarded on 3-4 teams, and nobody else has a realistic shot at winning. IF we are allowed to keep more than 1 first rounder, at the very least I say an additional 1st round pick would have to be acquired and used to keep them.
But I prefer moviemans idea of no more than 1 first round keeper period.

It also forces owners to strategize more when making trades, and allows the bottom teams who are out of contention to make deals sending away players they couldnt keep for picks or whatever, and then having a chance to re-draft the player teh following year.


And I mean realistically, every year no more than half of the first level producers, will actually have 1st round keeper status. So owners who draft well and/or make shrewd trades will still be able to keep all or most of their talent.
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Old 03-05-2014, 08:13 PM   #35
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@DontdoIt
I agree with all those except the first one..
I think forcing owners to move players a forward a round (say from Rd4 to Rd3 if two 4th rounders want to be kept) will promote more player turnover.

If youre allowed to keep 2 first rounders (one in the 1st and another in the 2nd) then you could conceivably accumulate 4 first rounds players and actually get a huge discount on a couple of them... I mean I honestly dont mind being able to move a player back or forward most rounds, but in the first I feel like you should only get to keep more than 1 player if you have more than one 1st round pick.

Similarly if you trade a draft pick, and decide you want to keep a player that round, I like the idea of having to keep the player in an earlier round where the owner has a pick available.

Otherwise you could just keep trading away picks in rounds you have keepers to get a discount on where you keep them.



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Agree with mostly everything, except in future yrs might run into a problem where one keeper is moving up rounds, into the same round where a player drafted that season would be kept.
So they'd have the same keeper same round cost, but would not have been *drafted* the same round.
I dont mind allowing owners to take a small penalty by moving one player forward to an earlier round in that case. They wouldnt be able to game the system dont think (as could be exploited if you were allowed to move players to later rounds)

Also I like your idea for a cap on # of FAs that can be kept.
good point re keepers running into each other in future years.

the bold is something i really want to have. maybe there can be a cap of 2 players kept per whatever round, with the asterisks of FAs/last round guys? so if you want to keep 2 guys of 1st rd value, you give up your 1st and 2nd but cant keep another guy of that value. and then if you want to keep another player in the 2nd you still can. might be complicated but if we keep the # of keepers to 5, its not going to get THAT complicated, or at least, too complicated that a google doc cant handle it
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Old 03-05-2014, 08:26 PM   #36
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Any ideas about the draft time atm?
Not yet but probably sometime between 7-11pm eastern time sometime next week? I'm out of town the 19th so sometime before then
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Old 03-05-2014, 08:48 PM   #37
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hopefully not 3/11 or 3/12 because I work until 11pm PT both those night.
would be a bummer.
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Old 03-05-2014, 08:50 PM   #38
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Re: $50 Fantasy Baseball Keeper

I would prefer on the latter end of that range.. actually weekend would work the best but if i have advance notice I can def do weekdays
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:37 PM   #39
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Any day of the week would work for me drafting wise. But I'd prefer later in the night Eastern time. Easiest time for me to get some time in the home office.

Any idea on how we are going to handle money transferring? My understanding is that movieman is going to escrow, but how can we transfer funds?
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Old 03-06-2014, 04:10 AM   #40
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Does any portion of the prize pool go to best regular season record?


Want to make sure I dont go home empty handed if I get knoeck out of playoffs in the first round
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Old 03-06-2014, 04:23 AM   #41
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Re: $50 Fantasy Baseball Keeper

I also vote later in the day since I am on the west coast.

6x6 is fine with me and I prefer 12 teams over 10 but not a big deal.

I have never done a baseball keeper so I am cool with any format.
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Old 03-06-2014, 12:19 PM   #42
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Re: $50 Fantasy Baseball Keeper

how would 3/13 or 3/17 work for people? around 9pm est?

escrow for me needs to be through paypal. if thats an issue, we can figure something out. i can do BoA too, and rusemandingo (STTFer) has escrowed on stars for my leagues before for people who can only do that.

re 1st place regular season, yeah thats a good idea. maybe 50/25/15(reg season)/10(3rd). thats what we did in my home football league the last few years
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Old 03-06-2014, 12:31 PM   #43
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Would prefer March 17th over the 13th if possible. 9 PM East is good for me.

Escrowing through PayPal also a check for me.

I like the idea of having something for best regular season record. Works nicely for the Head 2 Head leagues instead of just being all about the last few weeks of season.

- Have we made a final decision on escalating keeper costs? I'm in favor of cost going up by year somewhat exponentially, so as someone said, no one gets lucky and keeps a bunch of top notch talent for pennies across the next five years.

- How much are we paying towards next year's pool? With the ability to trade draft picks (I'm assuming), shouldn't we have some kind of financial commitment to the next year, before someone goes balls to the wall for this season and then leaves the league with a disastrous future team.

6x6 was good with me. But as I read through the thread, perhaps we need to make a list of a couple of last minute details of what needs to be voted on/decided firmly before we move onto the draft. Also, what's our current GM count at, I think 10?
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Old 03-06-2014, 01:07 PM   #44
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Either night works for me.

Not too sure I understand your proposed payout structure. IMO only 1st regular seasons and top 3 in playoffs should be paid out.
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Either night works for me.

Not too sure I understand your proposed payout structure. IMO only 1st regular seasons and top 3 in playoffs should be paid out.
Sorry, I meant

1st place - 50%
2nd - 25%
Reg season winner - 15%
3rd - 10%
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Old 03-06-2014, 01:13 PM   #46
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That works for me.
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Old 03-06-2014, 01:16 PM   #47
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Either day will work as long as the decision is made with notice time for me
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Old 03-06-2014, 03:04 PM   #49
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Interested, but wouldn't be able to draft before the 22nd (business trip from 12th-21st). Also prefer 5x5, so omit me if these are issues.
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