Fall down - I think what rafiki is saying is that comparing Murray to McCoy is irrelevant to comparing McFadden to Murray, which is what you started off arguing

I'd guess Murray will be drafted top 10 for sure, probably top 5 in a lot of leagues and I personally wouldn't take him there, as big of an Eagles fan as I am. He's still a big injury risk + the miles he had put on him last season + he's not getting 360+ carries again, etc

Yeah, I get that.

I dont think anyone in this thread is super high on Murray just from skimming through the whole thing, its more that they dont share your sentiment that a ham sandwhich in the dallas backfield is a top 5 back (I obviously tend to agree with them there)

Also I think comparing Mccoy in philly to demarco in philly is completely unreasonable.
maclin gone, foles gone, matthews in, bradford in... its not the same team what so ever so comparing them like the only 2 parts that moved were the RB's is not really reasonable.

personally I'm not going to be touching demarco this year unless he falls super late (which he wont) even though he won me multiple ships last year. Mcfadden, depending on dallas' moves could potentially make some of my rosters depending on price/ how far he falls.

Depending on the odds someone gives me, I'd be willing to bet that DMC does not actually make the opening day roster even. His contract is clearly structured to allow them to totally walk away. With the D is cobbled together as it is, they're not going to carry 4 tailbacks and 1 fullback. It's going to be 3 running backs and 1 fullback. And since they badly need their backs to also play special teams, it's not even close to a given that DMC makes the team if they draft a back. If they don't draft one, yeah ok he's got a decent shot. Frankly Joseph Randle is more likely to be the Cowboy worth owning, unless something comes of the domestic abuse investigation. But he's a guy I'll draft with a late round pick if he's around.

yeah, i don't think i take murray in round 1 of any reasonable league. historically injury prone player coming off 450 touches last season moving to a team with a worse line and much better alternative RB options? no thanks

almost all rbs will be overpriced and overpaid for. so many things can go wrong.

So OBD coming in as the #1 player in all dynasty drafts right now, pretty interesting.

Early stuff I see doesn't seem to contentious so far. There's a group of 20 guys I have no idea how they'll do (Gio, Martavis Bryant, Decker, Blount, Marshall, Julius Thomas etc...). But otherwise seems like more of last year: wide receivers everywheeeere

(and maybe a year where Gronk goes in the 1st.)

there was that interesting article last year before the season started that was suggesting a WR/WR/WR draft instead of RB/RB/WR and then just playing the waivers and late round handcuffs. i remember at the time thinking (and probably posting) that it was still a silly formula.

but more and more i see getting a top 10 WR, then best available WR and then starting with the mid tier RBs potentially working

last year it was the mid round rbs that were a massive disappoinment. still, the early guys were pretty hit or miss. mccoy, peterson, charles, ball and bernard hurt obv. but look at the landmines in the mid rounds: ellington, bush, martin, spiller, vereen, gerhart, mathews, rice, sankey, cj, trent. nearly every rb in round 4-6 busted. lamar miller and joique bell were worthwhile eventually.

then when you consider the wr value in those rounds, it made that cj spiller pick even worse.

in a lot of drafts foster, bell or lynch fell to the early or mid 3rd which i think is a much better gamble for those guys, or really any rb, than burning a top pick.

I'll probably try it, particularly in FAAB league or leagues I have top waiver priority.

Last year also seemed pretty busto for investing in a top TE outside of Gronk.

Im def going to use a similar strategy in at least a few of my leagues next year.
Maybe mix in Jimmy/Gronk or Luck/Rodgers in there for a couple drafts as well.

I dont think i have ever NOT taken a RB in at least 1 of the first 3 rounds, and I know I have never taken a QB before the 6th round in a 1-QB league, so it will be quite a departure from my past draft style.

I've been messing around with mocks (cause I'm a freak and am already doing mocks) and from any position >5 my teams have looked best going TE/WR/WR/WR or if I miss on gronk WR/WR/WR/RB

if im top 5 obviously im snagging one of the top RB's but to be honest I have liked the way my team has looked much more when I'm not taking an RB till the 4/5 round... very often end up with cores like... Gronk/Dez/Evans/Hopkins or something like that and then end up with two jonathan stewart/joique/ latavius/gore etc etc type running backs and that receiving core just seems insane.

Also doing the same as last year and being the last person to draft a QB for sure and the last person to draft a TE with the exception of gronk.

Something tells me Gore/Joique and probably even Latavius won't be around at 4/5.

As it stands right now is Brees pretty much done as a keeper...have him in a dynasty with no penalty

They have been in all the mocks I've been doing and generally the people doing mocks ~6 months before the season aren't random people who have no idea what they are doing. Joique gets snagged late 3rd/early 4th somewhat frequently but theres definitely a shot late 4th for him.

I would think though that when you include people who aren't doing mocks 6 months in advance, then guys like Gore, Joique, Latavius aren't going to be making it to the 4/5th

edit: for example, I can see something like Latavius getting huge buzz from analysts. Young, lead back, had one great game, etc. Or Bell getting a lot of buzz because he's finally the lead back (even though he essentially was last year). Once you factor in buzz and ESPN, etc, then I think that'll change things in ADP

on one hand I can agree with you that some of these guys are gonna get hyped and maybe go earlier, but the fish that aren't in these mocks love to take qbs and TE way too early which should push the RB's down a bit as well. Most of these mocks are filled with more experienced people that are waiting on both TE and QB which relative to fishier leagues and YPLs will push the Rb's up so I think it should about even out.

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Great post. McFadden isn't even a lock to make the team as described above.

Falldown, I think your sentiment of a cowboys rb being a top tier fantasy rb is fair, but you're assuming one guy gets all thr work again. Thinking McFadden could be that guy is off base imo. He is old and injury prone; and simply not that dynamic anymore. Randle, barring another arrest or fumbling issues, can almost replicate murrays per carry efficiency imo. However, Dallas was a great, but not historically great running offense last year (Two teams avg'd more ypc and pff rated Eagles as the better run blocking offensive line). Volume was the biggest factor and I think randle is the only rb deserving of a shot to be "the guy", but Dunbar, a rookie, and my McFadden will factor in.

I also think there is a 10 % chance that McFadden gets more than 60% of carries, even with a randle suspension or fumbling problem.

U have a decent premise; wrong player to extrapolate that premise.

We'll talk in a few months, I guess.

I saw an article where Jerry Jones implied that McFadden is the man in Dallas. We'll see.

If Gordon is there at 27, Jerry will not resist. And then that's that at RB.

Last year he passed on Johnny Football, which was a bit shocking. We will see, I guess.

he has a proven quarterback (though I realize most people dont think Romo is good.. he is a proven, better than average quarterback)... Mcfadden has proven he is anything but better than average.