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Old 03-06-2017, 05:46 PM   #101
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Hope Iwreck picks soon
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Old 03-06-2017, 06:56 PM   #102
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Sorry boys, been at work.

2.7 Corey Seager

Hate everyone here available, really wanted Correa or freeman, mainly taking him because of high upside and SS eligibility
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Old 03-06-2017, 07:06 PM   #103
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Old 03-06-2017, 07:11 PM   #104
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2.9 Joey Votto

Nothing exciting here, but Im happy to lock up 1b with a pretty consistent player.

Steamer has him at 23/87/78/.288, which is just one reason I hate Steamer. I feel 25/87/97 with an above 300 AVG is very doable.
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Old 03-06-2017, 07:24 PM   #105
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2.10 Starling Marte

Paired with Altuve, I am now in a great spot in a hard to find catagory in SB. I have achieved this without sacrificing other stats too much, and am well positioned to address those shortcomings later as I have lots of extra batting average to work with to handle some low BA, high power options later on.

I considered Sale here, but would rather wait to pick a pitcher from the next tier.

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Old 03-06-2017, 07:37 PM   #106
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2.9 Joey Votto

Nothing exciting here, but Im happy to lock up 1b with a pretty consistent player.

Steamer has him at 23/87/78/.288, which is just one reason I hate Steamer. I feel 25/87/97 with an above 300 AVG is very doable.


While it is true Votto is nothing exciting, he consistently puts up the same solid numbers every year. Like that pick a lot.
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:03 PM   #107
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2.11 Jonathan Villar, 2B, 3B, SS

i was debating between him and votto and was leaning towards villar which would have irritated me if i had to make that choice so i'm glad i didn't have to. this is the frustrating part about both taking kershaw with my 1st pick and being in a corner pick slot. villar has an early to mid 4th round ADP that i'm never getting him at and he compliments perfectly with trout so i can't risk letting josh take 2 picks with him still on the board if i want to take him in the 3rd, so here i am using the 23rd pick on him

last year more or less represented villar's ceiling, but the good news is it's an attainable one and not a fluke. his statistical value is basically on par with turner, his positional value may very well put him ahead of turner in a draft simply because now that i can play him at any of 3 positions i don't have to chase 2 other positions out of necessity any time soon. he's a roto monster occupying the slot dee gordon had last year despite being much better than him. i'm going to need to play catchup on rbi but my runs and steals are in strong shape and villar isn't necessarily a power vacuum. 100 runs, 50+ steals, .270 average and 15 homers is my baseline expectation. all attainable at 150+ games from leadoff or the 2 hole

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Old 03-06-2017, 08:06 PM   #108
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Ya the extra position flex def can make a snake draft easier. Waiting to see what value falls as opposed to the wrong value falling in a position you already have locked up is a good point.
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:06 PM   #109
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I almost went Trea/Villar at 12/13 just to see what kind of team I'd end up with
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:08 PM   #110
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Funny thing is, I was between Votto and Villar and I knew there was no chance he'd come back with SRM having 2 picks. I think in most YPL's he would come back to me at 3.4 tho.
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I wanted Seager or Votto
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:16 PM   #112
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2.10 Starling Marte

Paired with Altuve, I am now in a great spot in a hard to find catagory in SB. I have achieved this without sacrificing other stats too much, and am well positioned to address those shortcomings later as I have lots of extra batting average to work with to handle some low BA, high power options later on.

I considered Sale here, but would rather wait to pick a pitcher from the next tier.

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2.10 Starling Marte OF-PIT
I think this is overkill. Sort of like with MadBum and Scherzer, the benefits of each is reduced by the other and it puts you way behind on power cats.
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:17 PM   #113
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I wanted Seager or Votto
Ya I wanted Seager too, and Trout
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:21 PM   #114
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Ya the extra position flex def can make a snake draft easier. Waiting to see what value falls as opposed to the wrong value falling in a position you already have locked up is a good point.
ya when you're picking in a corner spot in a snake doing anything other than taking the best player on the board, regardless of what their ADP is, is a mistake. so if you subjectively believe the guy you're taking is the best player available there isn't even really such a thing as a reach
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:23 PM   #115
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I think this is overkill. Sort of like with MadBum and Scherzer, the benefits of each is reduced by the other and it puts you way behind on power cats.
Who would you suggest he take here? Power-wise, theres a talent drop off at this spot IMO.

Also to win the SB category you will prob need somewhere around 180 SB's. So locking up 80 or so now, when we all know its a hard category to fill late, is ok by me. He also benefits by a strong start to runs, and an elite AVG. I think doing this now, can set him up to gamble on power guys like Sano/Pederson later.
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Meh, who would you suggest he take here? Also to win the SB category you will prob need somewhere around 180 SB's. So locking up 80 or so now, when we all know its a hard category to fill late, is ok by me. He also benefits by a strong start to runs, and an elite AVG. I think doing this now, can set him up to gamble on power guys like Sano/Pederson later.
That's the thing; winning the category is irrelevent because you've giving up a first division finish in power cats where you more or less can't catch up at this point. You're consigning yourself to drafting from the limited pool of players is invested only in power numbers for a merely decent power finish and if other people pick them too, you're pretty ****ed. Why aim for a category win when a top 3 finish is good enough? Pretty sure the right pick is "best power hitter available" especially this year, when there are a lot of late SB freaks out there.
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i think cano (i know it sucks burning a util spot in the 2nd round but still) or boegarts would be the right pick over marte. definitely agree marte is a pointless compliment to altuve
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:36 PM   #118
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I'm not saying you have to win it, but finish near the top, yes that is important.
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sure but you don't need 2 guys getting 70 steals combined to pull that off especially when there's probably 30 homers between those 2

either he's going to have to punt homers or chase it at the expense of high caliber pitching, or live with late round power that hurts his average
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Basically, the fewer options you give yourself, the worse the quality of your draft will be. By taking marte, he's giving himself very few options for drafting a balanced squad. it's different with starting with power because you always have the option of tanking SBs or BA without collateral damage. You can't punt HR and RBI...it's just too costly.
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Old 03-06-2017, 08:45 PM   #121
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No doubt he is behind in HR in that scenario, it will be interesting to see if he catch up.
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how does taking bogaerts help my power problems, how many more homers is gonna hit then marte? is that worth 30 steals?

Cano is such a reach there, Sale or Marte is what made sense to me.
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I wouldn't take Bogaerts there, but Cano, Edwin and Story are viable options. (Think I'd have Edwined)

Also, don't worry about "such a reach" too much. Draft your best team.
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That's the plan. This is fun seeing the different perspectives.
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I'm fine with taking Marte there, definitely the best player on the board, but handcuffs you. E5 seems fine too, and could end up fitting the team better
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