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06-26-2016 , 11:55 AM
Spencer Ware is a RB I will be targeting late in drafts this year. PFF did a short article on him today as well so his ADP might rise slightly now. Still it seems the general FF world is valuing Charcandrick West higher so there's some value in drafting Ware late.

West's ADP is RB55
Ware's ADP is RB76

Ware was significantly better than West is YPC, YAC, points per possession (over twice as good here), and has a clearer role even when Charles comes back. This is Charles second major knee injury and he's 29 years old. If Charles goes down Ware is GL (one of the best GL backs in the NFL), early down, game closing RB for one of the better RB situations in FF.

Trent Richardson is being drafted before Ware right now. He was better running the ball than Hyde over a similar sample but Hyde is valued as a top 20 back. Ware forced his way onto the field from the practice squad. The contracts KC gave both their young backs seems to indicate they see a role for both moving forward.


A little fluff piece below with a nice video of Ware destroying a DB at the top.

http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2016/6...this-offseason

Obviously the situation Ware finds himself in makes it impossible to value him as much as Hyde but in a vacuum Ware is more talented. He's one of the best handcuffs to own this year and nobody knows it.
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06-26-2016 , 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by warped
I think Benjamin is a definite upgrade from Floyd who put up 800 yard seasons fairly consistently when he was playing. Wisenhunt being back should also help their offense a lot. And the running game is pretty much non-existent. That said I've got him as a high WR3 with the potential to move up depending how things go.
I think that 800 yards and 5/6 TDs is a solid floor for Benjamin in that offense now, and that's a pretty solid WR3 floor imo.
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06-27-2016 , 05:58 PM
I'll take the under on Benjamin. He's just not that good. He's a poor man's Torrey Smith, imo. And that's saying a lot. Pretty much the same player, deep threat and nothing else.
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06-28-2016 , 11:34 AM
Since everyone and their brother is jumping in on WRs early this draft, I tried a mock with a RB/RB start: Came up with this sort of thing:

From the 7 hole:

1. Todd Gurley (LA - RB)
2. Lamar Miller (Hou - RB)
3. Mike Evans (TB - WR)
4. Keenan Allen (SD - WR)
5. Jarvis Landry (Mia - WR)
6. Michael Floyd (Ari - WR)
7. Jeremy Hill (Cin - RB)
8. Jeremy Langford (Chi - RB)
9. Tom Brady (NE - QB)
10. Gary Barnidge (Cle - TE)
11. Buffalo (Buf - DEF)
12. Justin Tucker (Bal - K)
13. Ryan Tannehill (Mia - QB)
14. Kirk Cousins (Was - QB)
15. Kendall Wright (Ten - WR)

FWIW I left after Brady.
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06-28-2016 , 05:08 PM
Landry in the 5th seems amazing . Assuming non ppr?
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06-28-2016 , 07:24 PM
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Originally Posted by falldown
Since everyone and their brother is jumping in on WRs early this draft, I tried a mock with a RB/RB start: Came up with this sort of thing:

From the 7 hole:

1. Todd Gurley (LA - RB)
2. Lamar Miller (Hou - RB)
3. Mike Evans (TB - WR)
4. Keenan Allen (SD - WR)
5. Jarvis Landry (Mia - WR)
6. Michael Floyd (Ari - WR)
7. Jeremy Hill (Cin - RB)
8. Jeremy Langford (Chi - RB)
9. Tom Brady (NE - QB)
10. Gary Barnidge (Cle - TE)
11. Buffalo (Buf - DEF)
12. Justin Tucker (Bal - K)
13. Ryan Tannehill (Mia - QB)
14. Kirk Cousins (Was - QB)
15. Kendall Wright (Ten - WR)

FWIW I left after Brady.
10 team standard??
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06-28-2016 , 08:47 PM
Yeah, 10 team yahoo mock. I assume non-ppr as the YPLs are. Landry is pretty low ranked in Yahoo. I think I reached down a bit to take him in the 5th.

Yahoo has Landry ranked 56th overall, WR25.

So picking him with the 47th pick was a bit of a reach?
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06-28-2016 , 09:46 PM
I only do ppr so it's hard for me to help but I love him in ppr
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06-28-2016 , 10:05 PM
I have Landry > then any of those wrs this year actually. First two are injury risks, imo, thus my reasoning.
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06-29-2016 , 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by bundy66
I saw this earlier in the week and wanted to jump right in. Players drafting in early June aren't going to be as soft as late August and early September. Cant believe many fish are drafting the first week of June. Must Resist.
Fish attract sharks.. I spent about a month doing auctions every day I could and they actually got harder in mid June.. Early September could be free money though
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06-29-2016 , 06:26 AM
YPLs 50s and 100s have like a 2 week lead time (next available mid July).
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06-29-2016 , 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by nit3.runn3r
I have Landry > then any of those wrs this year actually. First two are injury risks, imo, thus my reasoning.
i like allen slightly more in standard. especially if you can back it up with floyd in the sixth. higher risk but also higher ceiling.
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06-29-2016 , 01:46 PM
I like Keenan Allen and Landry a lot this year. Hoping to have a bunch of them. Makes me reconsider having to get a stud WR in 1st 2 rounds.
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07-01-2016 , 01:05 PM
that mock, gurley gets to 7 how?
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07-01-2016 , 01:12 PM
Yea even for 10-team non-PPR Keenan in the 4th is great
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07-01-2016 , 03:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sixfour
thoughts on d-will? i did a quick mock just to get an idea of where some people are going and he got picked off in the 11th (10 teamer), which i think is a bit too early
He's a great player but that offense yo.......
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07-02-2016 , 10:22 AM
Sup br0s. Starting to get excite
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07-03-2016 , 02:28 PM
Why rank Elliott so high? Cowboys' blocking is great, but given the injuries last year that didn't necessarily make them productive and for all we know this will be another issue this year given that Bryant tends to miss time every year for that reason and Romo himself could be vulnerable now as well. Not only that but rookie RBs need development in the transition to the big league too. Cowboys may even give Morris some TDs. McFadden might get some passing plays too as he does have a bit of a niche at that. Elliott has a good situation sure, but I'm just not sure I see reward outweighing risk, as I see a pretty low floor potential even on an offense that's POTENTIALLY suitable for fantasy RBs.

That being said, I could see Elliott starting off slow and picking up later in the year when it's fantasy playoff time, which would make him a potentially good trade for someone you can afford to part with.
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07-03-2016 , 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RushMXC
Why rank Elliott so high? Cowboys' blocking is great, but given the injuries last year that didn't necessarily make them productive and for all we know this will be another issue this year given that Bryant tends to miss time every year for that reason and Romo himself could be vulnerable now as well. Not only that but rookie RBs need development in the transition to the big league too. Cowboys may even give Morris some TDs. McFadden might get some passing plays too as he does have a bit of a niche at that. Elliott has a good situation sure, but I'm just not sure I see reward outweighing risk, as I see a pretty low floor potential even on an offense that's POTENTIALLY suitable for fantasy RBs.

That being said, I could see Elliott starting off slow and picking up later in the year when it's fantasy playoff time, which would make him a potentially good trade for someone you can afford to part with.
Ya there is no way I'd take Elliot in the first rd of a redraft. With that said I think he has a reasonably high floor. Looking at what McFadden did last year really highlights the strength of the Dallas o-line.
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07-03-2016 , 05:00 PM
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Ya there is no way I'd take Elliot in the first rd of a redraft. With that said I think he has a reasonably high floor. Looking at what McFadden did last year really highlights the strength of the Dallas o-line.
I'm feeling like I'm onto a pretty genius idea here by letting someone else draft Elliott and get disgruntled by a slow start that looks likely IMO. Then trade for him later on. Cowboys themselves have stated they brought Morris in to compete with him and Elliott could quite possibly have jitters on day one, then Morris can dazzle away. But in the same token Cowboys are clearly serious about Elliott. So maybe trade for him after he establishes an inevitably slow start with a disgruntled owner for something they'll bite on. Then win when he blows it up in playoff time like David Johnson did last year.
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07-03-2016 , 05:57 PM
Elliot's no David Johnson. He's good enough though and that situation is so good it's hard to ignore.......
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07-03-2016 , 06:28 PM
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Originally Posted by waterwolves
Elliot's no David Johnson. He's good enough though and that situation is so good it's hard to ignore.......
I find the fact that Elliott is a rookie just as hard to ignore as his potent situation. And the situation itself is still volatile with the Romo/Bryant connection seemingly a little prone to injury, though I do like Dez Bryant this year and he could be in my draft plans. Just personally, I see Miller and Freeman a little better than David Johnson and Ezekiel Elliott. It appears the former are being ranked lower just because they've played long enough to experience downswings whereas David Johnson only played I think the last 3-4 games at the end of last season as the bell cow. And David Johnson really only had ONE game where most of the work got done. If I get punished for this view I'll have to remind myself I was only sticking to the game plan like I would any season.

Anyways, my next question that I'm struggling with a bit is Miller or Freeman. I don't know if I'd start off drafting both (only would work with a late pick in a snake draft) but I think RB/WR or WR/RB to start off is solid. The problem I have here is that I give the edge to Miller, but I also like DeAndre Hopkins and wouldn't really plan on drafting two guys on the same team. But that's maybe where Dez Bryant, AJ Green or Jordy Nelson come in. Out of all those receivers I like Hopkins the most but if I draft Hopkins, makes sense to diversify a bit more with Freeman...

Guess I should make like the Pharaoh and trust in the heart of the cards.
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07-03-2016 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by NDfan
Ya there is no way I'd take Elliot in the first rd of a redraft. With that said I think he has a reasonably high floor. Looking at what McFadden did last year really highlights the strength of the Dallas o-line.
I'd be comfortable taking Elliott in the late first. Such a ridiculously good opportunity re: blocking, having a passing game so they can't stack 8 in the box, it's not like they take him 4 overall then give morris 100 carries either (obv dmc gets some passing down stuff but he's already banged up if I hear right)

Easier to take him as well as I've really not liked the early drafts where I've gone wr/wr or wr/gronk, I think I definitely want a back in the first two if I have a late pick
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07-03-2016 , 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by RushMXC
I'm feeling like I'm onto a pretty genius idea here by letting someone else draft Elliott and get disgruntled by a slow start
The only problem is that whoever reaches for Elliott is more than likely a cryboys fan and going to have a high price to get him away.
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07-04-2016 , 12:17 AM
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Originally Posted by RushMXC
I find the fact that Elliott is a rookie just as hard to ignore as his potent situation. And the situation itself is still volatile with the Romo/Bryant connection seemingly a little prone to injury, though I do like Dez Bryant this year and he could be in my draft plans. Just personally, I see Miller and Freeman a little better than David Johnson and Ezekiel Elliott. It appears the former are being ranked lower just because they've played long enough to experience downswings whereas David Johnson only played I think the last 3-4 games at the end of last season as the bell cow. And David Johnson really only had ONE game where most of the work got done. If I get punished for this view I'll have to remind myself I was only sticking to the game plan like I would any season.

Anyways, my next question that I'm struggling with a bit is Miller or Freeman. I don't know if I'd start off drafting both (only would work with a late pick in a snake draft) but I think RB/WR or WR/RB to start off is solid. The problem I have here is that I give the edge to Miller, but I also like DeAndre Hopkins and wouldn't really plan on drafting two guys on the same team. But that's maybe where Dez Bryant, AJ Green or Jordy Nelson come in. Out of all those receivers I like Hopkins the most but if I draft Hopkins, makes sense to diversify a bit more with Freeman...

Guess I should make like the Pharaoh and trust in the heart of the cards.
Don't draft Freeman whatever you do. He struggled down the stretch and was exposed as a fraud imo.
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