welcome all to the fantasy football 16 thread

Im already itching having done too many mocks…

things to start talking about

Rbs…
Lamar gonna be the new foster..well touch wise anyway
elliot gonna be 2014 demarco like
d johnson gonna be the animal we all know he really is
Is leveon ever gonna give u the return u want on that investment
Is peterson the only sure thing?
freeman?? Charles?? eddie?? what is the faith level with these guys
Woody my fav rb pick after going zero rb.
like dion lewis also
theres a handful of rookies that will be great late picks..
I personally don't over invest in rbs and am always perfectly comfortable navigating through my rb lineup throughout the year..

Wrs
Antonio odell julio just about as much of a lock u can have
d hop i dunno no matter what situation he just seems to dominate
Arob… !st rder??
Aj career year??
Jordy back to his old self
Is Kelvin gonna dominate??

Anyone who has been drafting..TY cobb cooks great value in the 3rd ppr of course

I also have been sorta obsessed with the idea of Kevin White..hes hovering around rd 7 right now but i have a feeling he has a big uptick in draft position in the next few months
also think crabtree is great value
Really like travis ben and the baltimore wrs as late picks
Also like hogan and sammie coats real late…

Qbs..
Cam Rodgers i guess if u wanna splurge but this year there seems like theres more quality qbs then ever..
Carson and brees going in the 7th along with bortles
next tier just as good with
eli rivers kirk stafford….Stafford seems to go at the end around tyrod but he's my fav late qb..his stats from the bye week last year to end of season were very very good..i know no calvin but i think jim bob can really boost stafford this year and a very low risk high reward pick..at qb

Anyway just wait on qb…like usual..

Tes
gronk reed olsen are the top 3 that r worth a semi high pick i guess….gronk is his own tier obviously

eifert kelce i guess also..
i dunno tes have become almost like kickers to me. besides a couple monsters everyone else seems the same

Jared cook is a packer
bennet is a patriiot
ladarius is a steeler
fleener is a saint
dwayne allen is alone on colts..

any of those guys can start every week for u or they can suck so get 2 if ur roster can hold it

def
i dunno but oak looks fun
denver arizona should be best..

k????

Fwiw my mock observations come from constantly mocking on ffc
These few observations r just the tip of the iceberg
Lets get this thread flowing


I always mock under the name raveco..say what up if u see me!!

great op

Rank in ppr

Alshon
Cooks
Evans

No Josh Norman twice a year helps Evans and Cooks. Alshon stays on the field more than last year but has the most unsettled QB situation. If ASJ stays healthy for Tampa Bay that could cut into Evans red zone targets a little bit. After a slow start Cooks averaged something like 7-90-1 the last 9 games of the season last year. Without looking I'd say he had a rough schedule to start the year then when things got a little easier he did well. Cooks struggles against top CB.

All three are looking at 1100-1300 yards and 10 TD's.

Probably rank them......

Evans
Cooks
Alshon

I would tend to agree with that but theres factors that weigh in on it…basically a trust thing.

if u told me jeffery would be 100% all year i would put him first.
when he was healthy he had a stretch where he was automatic 100 and a td
But that being said the trust factor in what u would be spending on ur 2nd round pick which is where he should be going would cause me to pass there.

evans feels safer not as fragile as alshon. the qb play is prob not much different there..on paper evans and alshon r about the same just comes down to what u would rather spend ur money on..

Now cooks is funny..all the potential in th e world in that offense and he showed it late last year..but cooks also burned a lot of teams who drafted him and was prob the most traded player early on..

as of today cooks goes much later than the other 2 players..1 round so to rank cooks highest would be hard.. but i could say that cooks is the best value i guess

for example lets say u were drafting 5 th? and this is going by the drafting trend as of today

u can get any 1st rounder u wanted
2nd u would most likely have ur pick of jeffry or evans and believe it or not cooks would have a 80 percent chance of getting back to u in the 3rd

White doesn't effect Alshon's targets all that much this year either. Probably helps him a bit actually.

Looking at Cooks schedule it's still pretty rough but it would have been brutal with Josh Norman twice......He's plays 5 games against the 4 of the top 5 CB in the league. After looking at that I'd move him below Alshon as well.

Atlanta (2) - Desmond Trufant is pretty underrated. He's a top 5 CB and he's the type of CB Cooks has trouble with........ He's a little longer than cooks and just as fast. He shuts Cooks down when they play. At least he did last year.
Seattle- Sherman
Denver- Chris Harris
Arizona- Peterson is the best man to man CB in the game

You can hope for some blow outs in some of those games where maybe there is a quarter and half of garbage time and 3 of the 5 games are at home where Cooks tends to play better.

Thanks guys. These are for now my 2nd round tier guys. Maybe I'm a little higher on cooks than others, just figure it's his 3rd year and he seems to have his head screwed on straight and brees likes to dink and dunk.
It will all change once camp/pre-season starts.
I kind of like Winston as the best of the 3 QB's in terms of delivering the ball.
I'm not worried about ASJ at all in terms of taking targets.

things will change for sure between now and september
love paying attention early to watch stock rise and fall and to understand why..gives u a nice edge come draft day..

heres one of the strange ones so far.. last year..
carson had a horrible post season which is good for fantasy owners..most people have short memories but carson was one of the surest things there was last year..

so carson goes in the 7th give or take
and all his wrs who are very good start coming off late 4th through maybe 7th or 8th rd

now when floyd was healthy he was as automatic as could be and looks like sick value in the 4-5th rd..i mean we r looking for 100 yard games here and i feel he has a lot in him

smokey is like a poor mans cooks as we know.. sometimes looks awesome but sometimes not so much..but he should only improve not regress wouldn't u think

then theres good old fitz..going in rd 6.. now lets remember when fitz was the sickest value ever last year floyd missed the beginning of the season and was eased back making fitz the only real option…and he is up to the task if called upon.. fitz could def regress with age and using his big body to block but just when u count him out he just continues to show up and play his ass off and gives u a reliable option with upside ...with all 3 wrs healthy the order of these payers being picked is
floyd
fitz
smokey
Now in my opinion u wanna own cards offense.. whats really changing here besides david johnson possibly being a beast..

anyway the point of it all is when we r drafting we r always looking for value..cheap value and i think every player here minus david johnson falls into that category and should be targeted over the more speculative picks

Cooks is really young still too. He's only 13 months older than rookie Michael Thomas. Just some of the tape from when he played some good CB early in the year looked bad to me. Like Peterson just looked better when they played the Cardinals.

Floyd is looking like great value. When he was healthy last year he was the undisputed #1 wr on that team. A lot of people didn't notice it because fitz's renaissance year was getting all the hype but if you looked at targets while Floyd was healthy he was the top dog.

It's no secret I like David Johnson more than anybody on this board. Barring injury he's as strong a candidate as there is for a top 5 RB finish in FF. That should only help Palmer because he can dump it off to Arizona's best play maker 4-5 times a game.

I love Johnson too. But there is just something scary about taking him so early. And sometimes when I really start thinking about it I can convince myself that I like him best out of all rbs.
I watched some highlights of him on YouTube the other day an was just amazed at the speed. It felt like whenever he touched the ball he maxed out every touch. Exaggerating I know but yeah DJ could be special. Especially on such a great team.....

Anyone wanna discuss elliot

Elliot is in a great situation and should do well. He's not really going to wow you but he's catches the ball well and is good in pass pro so he should see the field a ton and running behind that line is going to help as well. I'd take Gurley, Bell, and Johnson over him for sure but he might be the 4th best FF RB before he even plays a game.

Yeah Elliot seems to be such a fun fantasy player 20+ touches a game has got to be the standard.
Does Morris and dmc just stand on the sidelines??
My guess would be mostly yes.
My problem is I hate rbs in fantasy. I'm all about stud wrs but there r a couple of rbs that look very appealing even to a rb hater like myself.

I've been going virtually zero rb for the last 3 years and I always do well in highly competitive 12 man leagues. After last year more and more teams may not be so timid with starting wr wr out the gate. As most teams have stuck with getting at least 1 rb in first 2 picks.
Anyway. This year might be one to take advantage of the change in draft style. Depending where u r drafting from. This is snake draft not auction obviously
You may be able to start Elliot miller or Johnson miller. Which has potential to dominate

Would we also agree Lamar has top 5ish potential top 10 floor. ???
He has zero (blue) competition I believe. And he may be getting the rock just like foster. Not as physical as foster but another good situation. Miller the least flashy name of all the rbs so he could be great value.
I hate players playing their first year on a new team though. But should be very good

I don't think Alf and DMC just sit on the sidelines. I think Elliott should be a lock for 15 touches a game which is good these days but I don't think it will be DeMarco Murray 2.0.
Miller I would for sure take over Elliott. Miller is a top 10 lock out of volume alone and is in a crap division.
Don't think I end up with him unless I'm like pick 2 or something and by the time rd 2 comes around my tier of wr's are fine and Miller is there. Unlikely. By the time drafts come around I'd expect Miller to be going pick 7-13.

Disclosure - not so lol anymore Raider fan here.
I'm liking Latavius Murray as a decent value pick this year. Not going to be a world beater but we have one of the best o lines (on paper) and people will respect the pass. He should have an improvement over last year. Top 12 back in the 3rd round possibly.

agree on this, think there's a very good argument that he's the #3 behind bell/gurley, it's such a great spot to land in

I agree with this. I expect Elliot to be very good in those touches but expecting more than 70-80 yards per game is unrealistic imo. McFadden is gunna get touches. Without romo last year he still went for almost 1100 and 4.6 YPC. Id love to have Elliot but dont think he'll be ther where I'm willing to take him

so where do u guys feel comfortable with elliot
he's really one of those guys where I'm like i don't really wanna reach but i feel like i may be kicking myself for not going for him"early"

i think he goes anywhere from 5th to 13th


saying he will not be getting more than 70-80 yards a game is scary but i understand the logic to the statement


would like to know your guys views on
hopkins
kelvin
jordy
aj greeen
tate
keenan

I will not have any Elliot this year. There is a real chance he is the 3rd best RB on his team (FF wise this year)

If he is in the 5th round, I might bite. I will probably have a bunch of AlfMos IMO.

I saw one mock draft on NFL.com.

http://www.nfl.com/fantasyfootball/s...draft-wrs-rule

I was a bit surprised on Ben Rothlisberger being QB10.

(after Bortles, Palmer, Cousins)?

not high on Elliot either but you will fail hard with those projections .. ALF and DMF isn't where 'it's' at

I think if you get AlfMo and DMF in late rounds, one of them becomes the starter and wins the job, you get good value for him and great trade bait.

I think by around week 12 you probably want Elliot, but no way that is worth 1st round price.

I am not convinced Elliot is the leading rusher on his team next year.

Elliots prolly gunna fall somewhere around 8-9 overall on my board. I think thats where I get comfortable with the risk/reward. I'm just getting into FF for the year so i haven't looked much into WRs yet but first impressions:

hopkins: love hopkins hate osweiler, I'm a broncos fan and am happy to see him go (thats with Sanchez/Lynch as our QB). he cant throw the deep ball at all. i think that hurts hopkins a little but not alot. i think he'll regress to something like 90ish catches and 1100-1200 yards. still should put him top 10 maybe top 5 on my board.

kelvin:the biggest worry with kelvin is that he hits his sophomore slump a year late. after last year you can't bet against cam. my guess is i'll be interested in him about 15 WR in but i'll regret not grabbing him sooner. ACL injury doesn't scare me.

jordy:definite stud. had him as #3 on my board last year behind julio and ODB. you can see how much GB missed him last year. not worried about rodgers. ACL is slightly more of a concern for him but expect him to be top 3 WR on my board again.

green: a lot of people will disagree with me but i think losing jackson is a slight downgrade. they stayed in house though so i don't expect a whole lot of change in their offense. lafell is prolly a slight downgrade from jones but he's prolly got enough as the third guy behind green and eifert where they can't double AJ every single play. in the first 12 games with dalton last year green had 70 catches and a little over 1000 yards. so if we factor in a slight downgrade 80-85 catches for 12-1300 and 10 TDs sounds about right. prolly land him about 5th WR on my board would be my guess

keenan: PPR monster. had him everywhere last year and was up and down till his injury. wisenhunt is a def plus over reich at OC. the offensive line didn't improve at all but it's been bad for years. they can't really run the ball so you can be sure theres gunna be a lot of passing in the redzone. is this finally the year Gates breaks down? allens gunna be leaned on heavily. 90-100 catches with 1000-1200 seems about right. I think 8 TDs sounds good too.

FD,
I know I said DMC and Alf aren't just going to sit on the sidelines but I'm pretty sure the Jerry Jones #4 pick in the draft is going to be the day 1 starter.

Am i the only one who is falling in love with the idea of duke johnson…
i just see him as the best tool the browns have to use.. and if rg3 is even just ok it could be nice for duke.. he's getting blown up by hue, saying he's more than just a 3rd down change of pace back but a viable 3 down rb..

im also loving eli and odb combo..or either or..
giants play 5 prime time games and i just love it for the excitement factor
not to mention giants schedule looks pretty fun..and as always eli is cheap, they have a lame run game and usually a sub par def. when u can get a possible top 5 qb in rounds 8-10 thats always a good thing and he is my favorite qb to target.

my 2 favorite wrs value wise as of today are TY and Cobb, TY is going mid 3rd and cobb anywhere from early to mid 4th.. I'm sure they both move up but these guys are such great targets if people sleep on them, they disappointed last year but we know that last year was these players floor.. both had to deal with unideal factors,

how do we feel about owning both jordy and cobb , i don't like it but when i own jordy and cobb is just sitting there it feels wrong to pass on him when the other players left really feel beneath what cobb can do.

I'm high on tate and floyd as well rd 4 picks for me although floyd can be had in the 5th.. this too can change as we get closer to draft time..
Tate seems like a 100 catch candidate this year as he often quietly produces well.. Jim bob had stafford going at a super high level and tate should have the best chemistry with staff coming into the season.. Tate could be terrific value..
floyd is also under the radar to the novice players but imagine a full season of healthy floyd and carson.. he will be a top 15 wr and best on the team if thats the case..

I was in love with reed for a while but the more and more i thought about it i just can't bring myself to spend the pick i need to to get him.. he's avg around early 4th but still hard to depend on.. season long..
i like olsen but still have a problem taking tes high

Im loving the idea of bennett and gronk running around on the same field
Bennet is a large man and a year removed from 100 catches..if i remember correctly
last year was a nightmare for bennet owners but he just landed in the best possible place.
in my opinion bennett,if he has bought in which i believe he will, and gronk will be undefendable. with dion running around, edelman in the slot and HOGAN fitting right in to that offense it looks like another high caliber offense…just got to wait till week 5, but tom will destroy again this year … love the pieces


thats enough for today