2012 Fantasy Baseball Thread

[dkgojackets]

anthony bass could be a fantasy asset if they never let him pitch past the 5th inning

[Randal_Graves]

Time to pickup Homer Bailey?

Would you drop Zito for him?

And if they can call up Bauer already that would be fantastic since I'm wasting a roster spot stashing him.

[GTBMuckface]

i have kipnis, adam jones and cargo on one team and then the rest of my team ****ing stinks

[cs3]

Originally Posted by Gary Wise

Example: This year, I have 5 teams and only one guy on all five: Jason Kipnis. That's because I knew that passing on 2Bs early would leave me a choice of Kipnis/Ackley/Espinoza in 17-22 (standard 10 team) and that the potential gap between them and the top guys was far lesser than that at other positions. There was a amjor drop after (before, turns out...) Morse and Berkman, so I'd always have a 1B by then, same thing with the gap after Lawrie/ARod/Aramis...waiting on 2B was a far lesser evil, so I did it in every draft.

Ya i completely understand that. But the problem is that if you ended up with either Ackley or Espinosa you'd likely have the worst starting 2B in your league and a complete black hole there.

Also I was pretty clear about referring to the first round.
I dont worry about positions until ive run put of places to start the best hitter available.

I would be really curious to see an analysis done on the relationship between the position that 1st round draft plays, and the results of that team in the standings over the past 4 years or so.

Id be willing to bet that managers who picked a 1B or an OF in the 1st round have fared much better overall relative to their peers who drafted a "shallower position" 2B/3B/SS with their first pick.

[StoppedRainingMen]

the only player in the majors who i sincerely believe his position improves his value and would reach on him accordingly is tulo. shortstop is really the only position where there's such a steep regression between 1 and 2 and the rest of the field that having a guy like him would be hugely worthwhile to your team

ultimately though i think positional scarcity is a myth. as it relates to espinosa/ackley, yea, if you draft them you'd be boned, but by my count there's 20 players with 2b eligability who are worth roster spots if u need a 2b. there will ALWAYS be total unkowns who are likely undrafted who will pop up and can be snagged. i mean look at catcher for instance. right now of the top 12 ranked catchers by yahoo this season, 7 were undrafted. lowrie is teh 5th ranked ss, seager the 7th, and both are still free agents

that's not to say it's like that in all formats. leagues where you have MI spots obv the strategy is hugely different, but for the most part in standard roster setups i just don't buy the need to do anything but draft the best player there that fits your strat regardless of position

[cs3]

i agree with you there SRM.
Fair to note though, this is really the first year that Tulo was considered THAT much better than any other SS - in 2010 and 2011 Hanley was going before him almost univerally.



completely different topic, i can keep each player in the round listed next yr (2013)...
Hanley 2nd round
Kipnis 18th round
Lawrie 18th round
Hosmer 20th round

if the season ended today, how would you ranks these guys as keepers? Assume the round i can keep each in moves up by 2, then 4, then 6 rounds starting in 2014.
and i cant keep them when/if they reach the 1st, so i could only keep Hanley through next year then must release him.

[GTBMuckface]

Should Wade Miley or Kyle Lohse be owned in all formats?

They are both unowned in one of my leagues.

Currently my SPs are Kennedy, Weaver, Peavy, Doubront, AJ Burnett, Harang, and Jason Vargas

[cs3]

Originally Posted by GTBMuckface

Should Wade Miley or Kyle Lohse be owned in all formats?

They are both unowned in one of my leagues.

Currently my SPs are Kennedy, Weaver, Peavy, Doubront, AJ Burnett, Harang, and Jason Vargas

i think Miley is a complete mirage. Remember Collmenter last year?
his stuff doesnt seem impressive at all, and his strikeout rate (5.5/9) is horrible.
his HR/FB rate is a ridiculously unsustainable 4.3%
league average is over 10%, and he makes Matt Cain, the poster boy for anomalous HR/FB rates, totally jealous.

The only 2 things going for him are that he has a decent ground ball rate (but still under 50%), and he pitches in the NL West.


oh ya, and his xFIP is over 4, which should set off warning bells.
expect some pretty serious regression sooner rather than later.

[cs3]

Lohse has an equally abysmal K rate, but his peripherals suggest he can actually keep the ERA/WHIP down. And he also plays for a much better team so he should pick up a few more wins than Miley all things being equal.
Id definitely be more comfortable with Lohse than Felix Doubront.

Doubront just allows way too many base runners, he pitches in the worst pitchers division in baseball, and hes never gotten through 7 innings in his career.

[GTBMuckface]

Thanks buddy!

[ZBTHorton]

Originally Posted by cs3

i agree with you there SRM.
Fair to note though, this is really the first year that Tulo was considered THAT much better than any other SS - in 2010 and 2011 Hanley was going before him almost univerally.



completely different topic, i can keep each player in the round listed next yr (2013)...
Hanley 2nd round
Kipnis 18th round
Lawrie 18th round
Hosmer 20th round

if the season ended today, how would you ranks these guys as keepers? Assume the round i can keep each in moves up by 2, then 4, then 6 rounds starting in 2014.
and i cant keep them when/if they reach the 1st, so i could only keep Hanley through next year then must release him.

Lawrie, Hosmer, Kipnis, Hanley.

Kipnis passes Hosmer if he never figures it out since 1B is deep enough.

[StoppedRainingMen]

hanley loses a ton of value once he loses ss eligibility. not sure i even keep him for a 2nd depending on what pick that translates to

lawrie, kipnis, hosmer

[Randal_Graves]

Cespedes dropped. Worth a pickup?

My OF are J Upton, Chris Young, Austin Jackson, Melky, and Zobrist. 2 UTIL spots and one must be a multi-position eligible player.

To fit Cespedes I can drop Ackley so my 2B would be Zobrist and my UTIL would be J Lowrie.

Drop Ackley to fit Cespedes or it isn't even worth it since my other OF are pretty much better?

[ZBTHorton]

I think I'd pickup Cespedes, drop Ackley and move Zobrist.

[Randal_Graves]

Might cancel that just because Zobrist was scratched tonight because of his hand.