can someone please tell me how the WiltOnTile Ev calcs are done?

Wilt's fee+glue+tiles

i dont quite undeerstand

You called him "Wilt on Tiles" instead of Wilt On Tilt. He made a joke.

I don't think you should start a thread, though, by assuming that people will know what you're talking about. I know who WiltOnTilt is, but I don't know anything about his EV calcs. If you can provide an example, I can tell you how it works.

ah, sorry, should have clarified. I just thought that this was the most renowned way of making EV calcs since it was the easiest or something like that :P

but anyway, i read in this post that WiltOnTilt's TUPAC EV calc method was one of the best and easiest

im not sure if I can give an example, because I dont know how it works, but i was hoping that someone could teach me how to do the WiltOnTilt's TUPAC EV calc method

Ok, so how about a link to the post?

Hint: I am willing to help you, but I am not particularly willing to do some research before I can help you understand something.

Wilt on Tilt's tupac method isn't about EV calcs, but it's a method for figuring out your equity vs a range at the table.

2Pac!

what is it that i need to understand?


isnt that essentially what an EV calc is?

Apparently, how to do some kind of calculation. What I'm trying to say is, you need to formulate an actual question that I can answer, before I can answer it. As of yet you haven't even actually described what you want answered.


No. "EV" means expected value and the most common meaning of an "EV calculation" is figuring out how much money something will make you. So for example if your equity is 66%, and there is $400 in the pot, and you have to call $200, then your EV is
EV = .66*600 - .34*200 = $328

well im not sure how i am suppossed to clarify then, im just asking if anyone in twoplustwo knows how to use WiltOnTilt's TUPAC method and is willing to explain to me how it works. I tried to look for it on google but for some reason it is not there

OK, well, how about a link to the post that recommended the method to you in the first place?

Also, this was the 2nd link I found on google:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/56...method-713799/
(which tells you to watch WoTs video, which, well, makes sense)

Toward the end of the following link there seems to be an illustration of the method:

http://www.deucescracked.com/forums/...EV-calculation

I hope this helps.

A general equation for overall equity against a villain playing range R is

Eq = Sum over i {Pr(Villain has hand Hi|Range R) Pr(you win|Hi)}

The method suggested is a way of dealing with the above equation. It was given the name TUPAC, Tally Up Combos, Pair up, Analyze non-pair up combos, Combine.

You first identify those hands that pair up so they can be removed from consideration. For example, if you have JJ and villain’s range includes 88+, then you can ignore all the pairs in his range for JJ beats 88,99,TT and loses to QQ, KK, AA. With any pairs left over you use the 80/20 ratio of higher pair vs lower pair.

For unpaired hands in villain’s range, you can also do some canceling: QJ beats T9 by the about the same percentage it loses to AK. In other cases you average equities using the number of combos for weights and standard matchup win percentages. The link given goes into some detail on how to combine all this into a final estimate with a detailed example.

Seems interesting, but also seems to make the assumption that opponent plays T9 as often as AK, which may not be the case.