This is probably a silly question but i was looking at husng's hyper's and it's very shallow, starts out at 25bb and quickly goes down.
I read that those charts are to be used shorter but still what one would happen if one wre to play shove/fold entirely? Can a good player have an edge against this strategy? If yes how does that happen?

This is why I don't play SnGs or tournaments. Push/fold fests aren't fun imo.

Because with 25bb you make more money by raising a wide range to 2x or 2.5x.

Good players have big advantage against »push or fold players« at HU-Hypers. This strategy may work couple of games, sure you will win some of the games with this strategy. But if you play for example 5000 games and playing »push or fold« strategy it is not possible that you will be winning player. Also, it is very important to know that even the best HU-hyper players in the world win the most 55 percent of the games in a long run(more than 5000 games) at HUSNG-hypers .About your question..

For example at the begining 25 bb each, there is a lot to be done(25 BB is actually not so small). If player uses »push or fold« strategy, this is for the good player easy to spot. When you use »push or fold« strategy you have to pick when to go allin, with which cards you go allin right? for example : two cards over 10, or something else.... This is for good players easy to spot. Push or fold players will go allin(in some percent of hands). Good players put other players on some kind of ranges(what other players might have). And in this case it is one of the easiest way to put »push or fold« player on range(what is he doing, what does he have; easy to spot for good players that they play against »push or fold« players). So player that uses push or fold strategy will fold more than he will push in general … Losing a lot of blinds(when starting with 25bb each)… For example if "push or fold" player will only push in 10 percent of hands and fold in 90 percent of hands, it is pretty obvious for good player that he will raise every time preflop X2 bigblind. And so on.

Also, there is a lot of different »push or fold« strategies but good players can adopt to all.

Sure, when blinds go up the more lucky the game becomes for all the players.Like mentioned before, you will win some games with this strategy, but you will not be even close to 55 percent of winning games(goal for HU-hypers). I did not see anybody that won more than 55 percent of games(hu-hypers) in a long run.

I describe in the most easiest way(i know i did not use correct terms) and in the shortest way I could, but a lot can be added. Hopefully I was helpfull.

Also, I believe not one question in the world is silly. Except from the trolling questions(this one is not) Nobody was born with all the answers to every question in the world. We have to learn. GL

The push fold range, as published in charts, is -EV because of rake, and also wider than any sane person would want to play. Finally, to deviate from Nash Equilibrium would allow this to be exploited, rather easily.


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push/fold equilibrium is a losing strat for the SB even without rake for stack greater than 10bb and you can't enforce a push/fold game from the BB to make up for it.

Ah, yes. Exactly right. The bot (er, i mean insane person) would have to limp the SB and give the BB a choice to bet, shove, or see a free flop. Thus, poker!


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It doesn't sound a good idea, most players will adjust and crush your strategy

I will be very happy to play vs someone that use that strategy