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Which variant has the biggest positional advantage Which variant has the biggest positional advantage
View Poll Results: Best game to be on the button
Hold em
19 27.94%
Omaha hi
32 47.06%
Omaha hi/lo
5 7.35%
Razz
1 1.47%
Stud Hi
0 0%
Stud Hi/lo
0 0%
Irish poker
3 4.41%
Badugi
8 11.76%

10-15-2011 , 06:05 AM
Assumptions

1. You are playing an 8 handed poker game

2. All players are equally skilled at all of the games played.

3. Blinds are 5/5 with one blind on the button and one to his left.

4. You are on the button and can choose the game to be played from the above list.

So ignoring skill differences which game confers the largest advantage to being on the button and why? If you can be bothered you can also rank the games 1-8 in the thread.
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10-15-2011 , 06:52 AM
Your question is invalid.
There is no button in stud and razz.
So I'd say hold'em.
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10-15-2011 , 07:23 AM
Uno
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10-15-2011 , 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by yumadtho?
Your question is invalid.
There is no button in stud and razz.
So I'd say hold'em.
There is a button it is just not used to determine betting order. The question is perfectly valid, which of these animals has more legs a snail a fish a human a dog or a caterpillar? It's a valid question even if some of the choices have no legs.
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10-15-2011 , 11:40 AM
Since Badugi is the only draw game on your list, I chose that. Draw games will always give a bigger positional advantage because being in position not only means you get to see all the action before it gets to you on the betting rounds, but also that you get to see how many cards the people before you draw on the drawing rounds which is a huge advantage.
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10-15-2011 , 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
There is a button it is just not used to determine betting order. The question is perfectly valid, which of these animals has more legs a snail a fish a human a dog or a caterpillar? It's a valid question even if some of the choices have no legs.
Ok invalid might've been the wrong word. Just sayin' it seems unnecessary to have those in the poll.
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10-15-2011 , 03:02 PM
I voted for Omaha hi
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10-15-2011 , 03:03 PM
BTW,Im really surprised that anyone is voting for holdem
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10-15-2011 , 06:57 PM
wtf is irish poker
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10-15-2011 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingdom Hearts
wtf is irish poker
google it ****ing ******
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10-15-2011 , 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Kingdom Hearts
google it ****ing ******
I just did and now I know. Seems like a ****ty game invented by donks who were tired of losing at Hold'em.
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10-15-2011 , 09:32 PM
Never played Irish poker and know little about Badugi. Going under the assumption that these games are no-limit hold'em and the omaha variants are pot limit and the stud games are limit, I vote for Omaha hi.
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10-16-2011 , 01:05 PM
I chose PLO, but I think there are a few factors that matter that aren't specified in the poll. Position is going to be more important in a no-limit or pot-limit game than in a fixed-limit game, because the extra bets you win or save in position are going to be more important, relative to pot size, in PL or NL.

I probably would have chosen pot limit 5-card draw if it had been in the poll, just because you get so much info playing in position in draw games. If badugi is played no-limit, it might be my choice, but I played most of my badugi at FT where it was played fixed limit. I'd choose PLO over NLH because the information you get, when last to act, is usually going to be far more reliable in PLO than in NLH. There are just so many situations in PLO where someone is more or less obligated to bet (top set on a drawy board, say), whereas in NLH, people can more often afford to check strong hands.
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10-17-2011 , 02:42 PM
I'm assuming all are fixed limit, in which case I pick Badugi (I don't know what Irish poker is and I can't be a***d to look it up).

But position gains importance in big bet games, so this would be a factor if they are not all fixed limit.
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10-17-2011 , 03:19 PM
PLO imo
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10-17-2011 , 10:53 PM
Yes, I assumed they were all fixed limit as well. If not, then this poll is kind of meaningless because it's comparing apples to oranges.
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10-17-2011 , 11:02 PM
Fixed limit omaha high? Gag me.

No offense but this poll doesn't make a lot of sense. There's rarely positional advantage in stud games (sometimes you are very likely to maintain position but in some of the games this is an inherent disadvantage since it usually makes your hand worse).

Like most people I don't know much about irish poker, it's kind of an odd addition.
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10-18-2011 , 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RustyBrooks
Fixed limit omaha high? Gag me.
Agreed, but it could exist. It actually exists in theory on PokerStars, but I just checked and all the tables are empty.
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10-18-2011 , 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by tomdemaine
Assumptions

1. You are playing an 8 handed poker game

2. All players are equally skilled at all of the games played.

3. Blinds are 5/5 with one blind on the button and one to his left.

4. You are on the button and can choose the game to be played from the above list.

So ignoring skill differences which game confers the largest advantage to being on the button and why? If you can be bothered you can also rank the games 1-8 in the thread.
So wait - the button has to pay a blind? You don't even specify FL/PL/NL for each game. Plus, doesn't the person who act first change on each street in the stud games (don't play those games regularly - I just act when I'm told by the software)?

Worthless poll is worthless.

Spoiler:
And Irish poker? Seriously? You want to add Badeucy, Badacey and Binglaha to the list too? And where's 5-card draw and 2-7TD and 2-7NLSD?! Seriously?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
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10-19-2011 , 03:35 PM
(about fixed limit Omaha Hi)

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Originally Posted by Akhanar
Agreed, but it could exist. It actually exists in theory on PokerStars, but I just checked and all the tables are empty.
I've played in a tourney of it a few times.

What's so terrible about the concept? FLO8 is quite popular.
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10-19-2011 , 05:58 PM
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Originally Posted by gerryq
What's so terrible about the concept? FLO8 is quite popular.
O8 is a completely different game - the action is driven by the fact that the pot can be split. People have "more reasons" to call, and it's quite common to get in raising war between 2 people. Raising wars aren't that common multi-way in plain limit omaha. It's really a pretty miserable game.
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10-19-2011 , 11:31 PM
Knowing the Irish; I'd say you want to be on your way out the door...
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10-19-2011 , 11:37 PM
How is the only draw game on the list not winning?

Your equity changes so much based on how many cards people ahead of you are drawing that being able to draw after seeing how they did is HUGE.

I guess being forced to post one of the blinds on the button would reduce that edge significantly, though.

I still pick Badugi.
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10-20-2011 , 03:34 AM
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Originally Posted by JoeDeertay
How is the only draw game on the list not winning?

Your equity changes so much based on how many cards people ahead of you are drawing that being able to draw after seeing how they did is HUGE.

I guess being forced to post one of the blinds on the button would reduce that edge significantly, though.

I still pick Badugi.

The majority of posters have never played Badugi and have no idea of the rules so thats why.
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10-20-2011 , 06:18 PM
plo
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