So im starting to understand some new theories and im applying them VERY SLOWLY in my game but... i just wanted to know well i think it is generally super hard to execute these theories (when your playing ofc) as opposed to practice where people are discussing and theorizing and for the most part are correct and you feel like you understand it.

But when it comes to ACTUALLY playing its like wtf do i do, i learned all this sht but how can i apply it like RIGHT NOW. I understand the theories/concepts itself but im just wondering how long will it be until i can do both like be good in the theory part/understanding of it and also the execution part/in executing or making it apart of my overall game strat

How much work on your ranges and hand review have you done away from the table? Just reading and understanding theory concepts obviously means jack in the long run if you're not using them to do play related work away from the tables.

Tbh not much work on ranges and i do often do hand reviews but idk how much you consider to be a lot.

What do you mean how much do i work on my ranges like thats pretty ambiguous no offense can you be a bit clearer. Really appreciate the advice and response

Idk if u know this already but i spend like 70% studying + reviewing HH 30% actually playing (atm...) it was like the other way around a few months ago but since i dont have time to play online poker anymore i just lean towards studying cause its easier/i dont have to focus as much cause i just write things down... (which means i can look back later)

I think working your way all the way through hands to the river by assigning ranges for both you and your opponent from the start of the hand all the way to showdown and examining the equities at many different points in the hand is the best way to improve your range work.

Or you could plan out 3/5/7 or 4/6/8 betting schemes for preflop.

Basically, the more hands you look at deeply, the more strategically consistent you will become.

Hi Bob,

Do you know of any resources or posts showing in detail how one should go about reviewing there own hands along with an equity calculator? In all the books and pdfs I have none of them showing anything in detail. Thought maybe you might have a leg up on this one.

cheers

I may sound stupid here but what is 3/5/7 and 4/6/8 betting schemes

Pokersnowie rofl

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/35...-tl-dr-449010/

Nowadays, range vs range analysis is where it's at once you get a good idea of the equity of individual hands against your opponent's range.

When you raise preflop and someone reraises you, that's a 3 bet. Then you have the option of 4 betting. If your opponent 5 bets then you have the option of 6 betting.

thx, will read asap

This is pretty much what I meant when talking about range work. That and hand reading/ranging other players by interpreting the action so far.

Yeah it may seem tedious and boring at first but once you get used to equity calculators you can move through a hand quite quickly and effectively. This simple task will dramatically improve your hand reading, ranging skill, positional awareness, as well as your ability to deal with anomalies such as the opponent that likes to 3 bet and call a 100bb shove with JTo in the small blind vs button situation or the guy that never bets postflop without the nuts.

This is how i go about it:

I never skip ahead to the final decision. I always start with preflop ranges by considering my opponent's position and tendencies. Once I've decided on what I think are good ranges for me and my opponent, I'll click "evaluate." I write down the ranges and results. Then I drop a flop and reevaluate the equities, noting which player has benefited. Then I eliminate hands from both ranges based on the action and reevaluate before and after the turn card falls. I write down the ranges and equities, again noting which player has benefited. Then I eliminate more hands from both ranges based on the action and reevaluate the equities. Then I drop a river and reevaluate the equities. Again, I write down the ranges and results.

This process is only as good as my ability to handread, but I think I get a little bit better at it every time I repeat this process.

Do you guys know anywhere I can find a tutorial for using rangevsrange?

Also Im going to do work with my equity calc, and construct my ranges - do you suggest anything else?

Galfond Bucks!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/poker...ine&id=2817110

Yeah i understand this concept but will fully analyze the article, how is gbucks related to your range vs an opponents range? (because gbucks is your hand vs their range and your range vs their hand)

From what I understand sklanksy bucks is Hand vs Range and GBucks is Range vs Range, I need to study this article better. I glanced over it a long time back but havent had much time to really absorb it so when i have more time i def will. BTW I <3 this forum, I feel like i need to tell at least one person a day so you've been told!

cheers

You can use a solver like gtorangebuilder and you can think of the implications of the asymmetrical nature of poker ranges. As far as I know, asymmetrical range game theory for real poker is lacking in content, or the content is well hidden. I have yet to come across good material.

No you just love me. And no gbucks is hand vs range

Yeah I wasnt 100% sure my bad. Still a great article, def worth some time.

Always go with hand vs range. Then all of the hands that you can play make up your range.

Range vs range stuff leads to a lot of weirdness that will only confuse you at times.

I'm specifically talking about equity calcs and building your initial range here. If you want to do more multistreet work like Bob is talking about where ranges change then obviously use his advice.

This game is much easier than people make it out to be. Think for a second. Do you think Phil Ivey knows all the numbers? All these programs complicate a relatively easy game.

I think he's a natural codebreaker and is thus a poker savant. Maybe you are too? I'm not. So I gotta practice handreading to get better at it. Equilab has helped my handreading very much just because of the simple task of clicking buttons that has burned poker ranges into my brain.

So your saying that i should just review my hands while pokerstoving them and see what equity/PE my hand is vs. villains range @ (flop, turn, river) + preflop and see how it changes.
And then look at what the most profitable line would be vs. villains range etc...(if there is any).

Yup. The important bits are 1) getting better at estimating your equity and 2) putting your opponent on ranges.

U don't really use complex math and theory at the table, you use it to study away from the table and design better ranges.
Bassicaly, you develop your strategy away from the table and then use it wilhe
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Thanks for you're input, this has been the best advice ive ever received! Please dont hesitate to drop more nuggets of wisdom like the above, keep it coming.