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03-28-2015 , 01:18 AM
So this recently came to mind, and I'm wondering if this is a leak in my poker game. My friend was watching me play tournaments and he noticed I snap acted pretty much all of my decisions, and at times, it was obvious if I was value betting or bluffing because I snap acted or waited a few seconds to act. I will admit, and I think this is a case for pretty much all poker players, that we will tank a bit on spots where we are bluffing, and snap bet when we have a value hand. However, on occasion, these could be spots where we are thinking of going for thin value or checking, or even if we are slow because of multi tabling.

Although I probably would rarely get exploited for it since I play $5.50-$22 MTTs on US sites where almost everyone sucks, should I be taking my time more on decisions postflop when I am going to bet? It's hard to notice it when I'm multi tabling, it just worries me someone may pickup a timing tell without me noticing.
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03-28-2015 , 06:47 AM
I don't think you will get exploited by timing tells at all.The fact is you could take a little longer before acting,(when bluffing,does our opponent has a weak range,can we get called by enough worse hands when vbet etc.) that'd probably improve your game.

Also, you should be planning ahead like discussed on TMGOPFB(which helped me a lot )

Basically It's a known concept but the way the author writes is above average.It's a post series here on 2+2 BTW.
If you want I can get in more details about planning ahead but that definitely helped me tremendously improve my tilt overall,as I'm always prepared for opponent's play and it never surprises me anymore.(Getting surprised would lead me to tilt.)
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03-28-2015 , 12:04 PM
TMGOPFB = ?
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03-28-2015 , 12:13 PM
Search here on 2+2 search engine,idk exactly the name of the series but the author liked to call it this way.
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03-28-2015 , 12:14 PM
It's probably 'the mental game of poker for beginners' but I'm not sure.
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03-28-2015 , 12:17 PM
I mean having timing tells can't be a good thing. I wouldn't worry too much about it for the turn but for the river you should at least wait a few seconds before big bets.
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03-28-2015 , 04:39 PM
Timing tells definitely exist. There's even a specialized HUD that keeps track of how long someone took with each decision and what they showed up with.
If nothing else, snap decisions can make you look fishy, because it shows you're not considering board texture or trying to maximise EV against an entire range. When I see someone snap-bet 3 streets, they are almost always a fish with TP or an overpair. i.e. They don't even stop to consider if a straight/flush draw got there. They just bet their hand without thinking.

Please don't start tanking needlessly, but you should at least pause and think about the optimal bet-size, for no other reason than to make more money.
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03-29-2015 , 11:19 PM
One of the things I find to be fairly consistently true is that snap checks mean weakness. There are numerous hands where I had air and all-but decided to give up on, but my opponent snap checked, and it was enough for me to throw in a bluff and take it down. Often snap checks by bad players scream out "I'm done with this hand."
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03-30-2015 , 04:44 AM
So, think "20 seconds" before anything.
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03-30-2015 , 05:36 AM
They definitely exist, and you would do well to deliberate at aboug 4-5 seconds before any non preflop decision besides folding. You should also really hollywood it up in any spot where your range has a tough decision. For example if a shortstack shoves and you're deep with a 3rd player to act, you should generally tank in that spot for a while even if you have a big hand.
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03-30-2015 , 07:06 AM
I don't know how people think properly and deeply while making snap desicions, i need a good 5 seconds atleast in most spots.
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03-30-2015 , 07:49 AM
Well, if you are used to play a lot of tables, you obviously play fast and most certainly not perfect. But that doesnt mean that I didnt think about the spot, but more that I was in this spot a lot before and came to the conclusion that A >>> B and eventho your range might include hand xy, A is still >> B.
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03-30-2015 , 01:30 PM
No, you should play fast. You should play fast because:

1. It gets a better reaction from other players who play worse vs fast decisions because they will play fast themselves just because they get stressed whereas if you tank people will think you actually think and then they will start to think. You make less money when you get people to think rather than to just respond instinctively.

2. You want to play more hands vs worse players.

3. If you are a tanker you bore the recs who might leave the table because your tanking slows the action down.

And if you really think you have timing tells when you bluff maybe you should decide before the river if you bluff on specific cards or not.
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03-30-2015 , 02:37 PM
just bluff faster = more h/hr
and no. you wouldnt want overload your brain with all that, if you play multiple tables, youll lose focus.
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03-30-2015 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
Timing tells definitely exist. There's even a specialized HUD that keeps track of how long someone took with each decision and what they showed up with.If nothing else, snap decisions can make you look fishy, because it shows you're not considering board texture or trying to maximise EV against an entire range. When I see someone snap-bet 3 streets, they are almost always a fish with TP or an overpair. i.e. They don't even stop to consider if a straight/flush draw got there. They just bet their hand without thinking.

Please don't start tanking needlessly, but you should at least pause and think about the optimal bet-size, for no other reason than to make more money.
name? was wondering if this existed, never checked.
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03-30-2015 , 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by princekuh1o
name? was wondering if this existed, never checked.
Time Mojo is/was one such product. There may be others on the market. I have no idea if they are legal on all networks.
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03-31-2015 , 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by tultfill
No, you should play fast. You should play fast because:

1. It gets a better reaction from other players who play worse vs fast decisions because they will play fast themselves just because they get stressed whereas if you tank people will think you actually think and then they will start to think. You make less money when you get people to think rather than to just respond instinctively.

2. You want to play more hands vs worse players.

3. If you are a tanker you bore the recs who might leave the table because your tanking slows the action down.

And if you really think you have timing tells when you bluff maybe you should decide before the river if you bluff on specific cards or not.
I actually tried this last night about 9 times and to my suprise got called down super light in a lot of spots mostly when flush draws missed. I got carried away a couple of times though and bet bad rivers losing 50bbs each time to a jam.

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name? was wondering if this existed, never checked.
Have a look for AJAdvantage on this forum he has integrated timing tells into his new hud.
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03-31-2015 , 03:57 PM
Just one more place to balance your range.
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04-01-2015 , 09:53 AM
Timing tells exist online for sure, but they are way less important than many of the other tells/mistakes that exist in the fish pool.

Applying timing tells to regs such as ourselves is an exercise in self-levelling as many of us will be multi-tabling, checking hud stats, or wazzing in a jug (for slow times) or punching in our planned line (for quick times).
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