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Old 05-04-2017, 06:41 PM   #1
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Several ICM Questions

Hi Guys

Firstly, sorry for my grammer, English is not my first language.

Lately I started to work with ICMIZER and SitNGo Wizard in order to improve my bubble game (I'm playing mainly turbos and hyper turbos).

1. Most of the time, the calling range is tighter significantly than the shoving range. However, there are some exceptional spots with a calling range wider than a shoving range? It's not intuitive for me. I believe that this case is possible only when the caller is pretty short stacked and the blind are huge. Does anyone have intuitive explanation about it?

2. HU ranges - there are obviously no ICM considerations in HU play. Is there an intuitive explanation about the shoving and calling ranges in HU play according to stacks sizes and blinds? Is there any difference between the players ranges or since both have the same effective stacks and blinds, they will push and call the same ranges? (even though player 1 might have 6 BB and player 2 18 BB).

3. Any must read about bubble play and ICM?


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Old 05-08-2017, 05:06 AM   #2
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Re: Several ICM Questions

If calling doesn't put you at risk while busting the short stack advances you and others up the payout ladder, then calling wider may be correct.

Also, when you have a healthy stack which is being exploited by a larger stack on the bubble, then there is an added incentive to break the bubble, assuming the bully has already folded.
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Old 05-08-2017, 07:13 AM   #3
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Re: Several ICM Questions

First of all Wizzard is no more usefull soft you can use it to find reasonable calling range when you know the push range. But ICMizer is much better even free soft like Simplenash is better.

Calling range is wide when eff stacks are short and blinds/antes create significant dead money. On the bubble bigger stacks always have wider push/call range.

HU only eff stack is in interest.
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:02 AM   #4
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Re: Several ICM Questions

Thanks

Any recommendations for reading content about it?
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:37 AM   #5
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Re: Several ICM Questions

As well, What is 'SimpleNash'?
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:06 PM   #6
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These articles are from satellite viewpoint, where the ICM factors are particularly strong, but they might help you to understand the concept better:
http://www.bluffeurope.com/PokerMaga...attle_238.aspx
http://www.pokerplayer365.com/poker-...of-satellites/
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Old 05-09-2017, 01:39 PM   #7
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These articles are from satellite viewpoint, where the ICM factors are particularly strong, but they might help you to understand the concept better:
http://www.bluffeurope.com/PokerMaga...attle_238.aspx
http://www.pokerplayer365.com/poker-...of-satellites/
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Old 05-18-2017, 08:56 AM   #8
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First of all Wizzard is no more usefull soft you can use it to find reasonable calling range when you know the push range. But ICMizer is much better even free soft like Simplenash is better.

Calling range is wide when eff stacks are short and blinds/antes create significant dead money. On the bubble bigger stacks always have wider push/call range.

HU only eff stack is in interest.
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Old 07-04-2017, 11:03 PM   #9
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Re: Several ICM Questions

I would recommend to use Holdemresources for ICM calcs
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Old 07-05-2017, 06:11 AM   #10
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Re: Several ICM Questions

At any point of the tourney, one will be tighter when one is risking too many chips with only a small edge, if one even has an edge.

It is much more important at the final table, especially when calling, if it risks too many chips and money compared to the edge one has (cards). The calculators count these percentage (the chips and the money, not just the chips like in cash games), and the money is often so much a factor, that one needs up to a 2 to 1 edge vs. someone's range when risking half or more of one's chips. These are the situations where one can make the biggest preflop blunders in poker history by not folding (in very rare cases, that includes the AA).

Without better skill, one might be more likely to do flips and take risks, but I have seen many up to suckers to wait and wait even below 10 bb with good results in many table situations (playing tight vs. lags), especially when having less a chance to make a pay jump otherwise.

The big stack is supposed to be more aggro (but when calling perhaps) but vs. other big stacks, but I have seen a huge stack sit out almost the whole final table till heads up, without too much lose. Heads up the risk isn't similarly a consideration but when one has a huge chip lead (or/and a skill edge), in case it might be better to wait for bigger edges before risking too many chips and money.
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Old 07-05-2017, 09:31 AM   #11
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These articles are from satellite viewpoint, where the ICM factors are particularly strong, but they might help you to understand the concept better:
http://www.bluffeurope.com/PokerMaga...attle_238.aspx
http://www.pokerplayer365.com/poker-...of-satellites/


Thanks Arty Those are good articles


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