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09-15-2016 , 07:35 PM
Will Snowie run on an Android phone?

Or an Android tablet?
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09-17-2016 , 11:36 PM
Snowie promotional material has a quiz consisting of 12 hands

Does Snowie come with a large sample of preloaded quiz hands?
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09-18-2016 , 04:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tuccotrading
Will Snowie run on an Android phone?
Or an Android tablet?
Last time I checked, it's PC only. A fully-functional mobile app could be construed as breaking the Pokerstars rules against using "real time advice tools".
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Originally Posted by tuccotrading
Does Snowie come with a large sample of preloaded quiz hands?
No quizzes.
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09-18-2016 , 07:10 PM
Snowie says, in order to call a CO raise from the btn, I need "at least 77" ... Be that as it may - general question: how does Snowie calculate EV? The pot is 7 cents, so I cannot make a 22 cents -EV mistake, but then what exactly does -0.22 express?


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09-18-2016 , 09:55 PM
The EV is measured in big blinds, based on how much you are likely to win or lose in the long run from that decision.
e.g. With the action folded to you on the button when you have aces at 6-max 100NL, Snowie thinks you have an EV of 8.21bb if you raise POT, and this 8.21 number is obviously larger than the current size of the pot. It's based on the likelihood of post-flop action... and the expectation of winning.

In your example calling 2bb will have a long term EV of minus 0.22bb.

Note that the EV figures aren't particularly comparable to real world games, as they come from Snowie's neural network training against "exploitative agents" and other pseudo GTO bots. The EV numbers for the river often make no sense at all, perhaps due to sample-size problems.
If set-mining is still profitable at 2NL, then you should do it even if Snowie doesn't like it.
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09-19-2016 , 03:42 AM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
If set-mining is still profitable at 2NL, then you should do it even if Snowie doesn't like it.
Thanks for the explanation Arty, makes sense to me now

Not wanting to derail here too much, but regarding set-mining: I used to play mainly NL heads-up, but now just starting to get into 6-max a bit, and I honestly don't know if set-mining is or is not profitable in that spot. However, in Janda's Applications of No-Limit Hold'em, he gives AA*,TT-22, AKo*-AJo, KQo,AQs-A8s, KQs-KTs, QJs-QTs,JTs-J9s, T9s-T8s, 98s-97s,87s-86s, 76s-75s, 65s, 54s as button flatting range vs CO open (p.83). I am aware that the book is three years old already, and he later stated that he is not too happy with those default ranges in all spots, but I believe that was mainly regarding stuff like BB 3-bet vs. button.

I still regard Janda's ranges as a "standard", or let's say, I am not aware of ranges as detailed as his in any other book or training video ... would you believe that in small / mid-stakes, flatting baby pairs in position is a mistake?
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09-19-2016 , 12:42 PM
Depends on open size

Depends on stack sizes

Depends on villains behind

If you were playing against a very good opponent with two very good opponents in blinds I'd fold. You're playing 2nl though and everyone sucks, so call is good.
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09-19-2016 , 07:22 PM
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Originally Posted by +VLFBERH+T
I still regard Janda's ranges as a "standard", or let's say, I am not aware of ranges as detailed as his in any other book or training video ... would you believe that in small / mid-stakes, flatting baby pairs in position is a mistake?
I read Janda as soon as it was release and even back then the preflop advice was a bit behind the times. It is great book to get one's head around thinking better about poker but I would not suggest using his preflop ranges as "standard" in most spots.
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09-20-2016 , 03:17 AM
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Originally Posted by mike1270
I read Janda as soon as it was release and even back then the preflop advice was a bit behind the times. It is great book to get one's head around thinking better about poker but I would not suggest using his preflop ranges as "standard" in most spots.
Hmm ... well, I hope people don't rage about the derail, but: which book or video series do you then believe to give the most up-to-date and comprehensive preflop advise? E.g., there are preflop charts free to download on WCGRider's Upswing Poker, but which only give raise-first-in charts; other prelop advise I am aware of does usually give just that as well, while in Janda's book, there are opening ranges, plus cold calling ranges, plus 3-betting ranges, plus facing a 3-bet ranges, which means, especially for someone like me who has hardly any 6-max experience, if I want to check a spot in PioSolver, there are ranges for most situations (in heads-up, I only had to deal with ranges for 2 players, and believe I had pretty decent preflop ranges for the usual single-raised or 3-bet pots, and could study postflop with a solver with those as input).

So, pointers on where to look for "better than Janda's" preflop ranges much appreciated, since it's not too efficient to play 300k+ hands on each limit and then "see which hands are +EV from the database" ...
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09-20-2016 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by +VLFBERH+T

So, pointers on where to look for "better than Janda's" preflop ranges much appreciated, since it's not too efficient to play 300k+ hands on each limit and then "see which hands are +EV from the database" ...
Sorry I don't have easy answer. Over the years I have watched tons of training videos and mined my own/friends/students database to do just what you are describing.

While I haven't look super close at PS 2.0 preflop game I think it's ranges are likely a better starting point than Janda. There are tons of close spot in 6m which can change based on sizings, location of fish, game flow....

I have also been diving in on PIO solver this past 3 weeks and I find that as long as your preflop ranges are in the ballpark the results are pretty close on most flops, so I wouldn't obsess over precise preflop ranges for that reason. I have been looking very close at 3B from blinds v BTN and BTN calls 3B and found that using 15-19% BTN c3B range didin't change my strat. It wasn't until BTN was calling 20%+ where I needed to make strong adjustments.
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09-20-2016 , 03:34 PM
You should ask Janda for up to date preflop advice here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/33...cepts-1332337/

Applications of No-Limit Hold 'em Review and Discussion - See 1st post for Updated Concepts

What do you guys think of snowies preflop advisor ranges for 6-max?
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09-20-2016 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by outfit
You should ask Janda for up to date preflop advice here:
http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/33...cepts-1332337/

Applications of No-Limit Hold 'em Review and Discussion - See 1st post for Updated Concepts
Yeah sure, I know this thread. But he won't generate new "default" preflop charts as comprehensive as in the book; people actually did ask him that very question in the thread. (He mentioned some example of rather 3-betting higher equity hands like K7 than 89s now, despite them being less playable, but, alas, we won't see charts anytime soon from which - for example - we can infer his current opinion on set-mining, which is how my little drail started)

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Originally Posted by outfit
What do you guys think of snowies preflop advisor ranges for 6-max?
Indeed, very interested in opinions What are the biggest "leaks" in Snowie's preflop ranges, if you guys do believe to see any?
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09-20-2016 , 08:04 PM
The developments of recent years and especially when looking at what solvers are showing, it seems that raw equity is the nr 1 factor in ev. Preflop polarization doesn't seem to be the correct approach.

You still need stuff like suited connectors for board coverage but they should mainly be used in mixed frequencies. For example a good starting point is to use a hand like 65s in a 33%/33%/33% mix on the button.
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09-21-2016 , 07:08 AM
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Originally Posted by outfit
What do you guys think of snowies preflop advisor ranges for 6-max?
I think there are 2 main problems with PokerSnowie Preflop advisor.

1. nobody knows how they calculated these ranges and frequencies.

2. the ranges and frequencies provided by PokerSnowie Preflop advisor don't seem to be constant. The decisions use to change. I guess they update it. But the problem is that from 1 update to another, decisions and fequencies may change A LOT.

For example Here is what PokerSnowie Preflop advisor was saying end of march 2016 :

Example = Spot CO vs UTG open

Hero's position / OPR? / Hand / Action A / Frequency Action A / Action B
CO UTG AA RAISE
CO UTG AK RAISE
CO UTG AKs RAISE
CO UTG AQ RAISE 38 CALL
CO UTG AQs RAISE 16 CALL
CO UTG AJs RAISE 83 CALL
CO UTG ATs RAISE
CO UTG A5s RAISE
CO UTG A4s RAISE
CO UTG A3s RAISE
CO UTG A2s RAISE
CO UTG KK RAISE
CO UTG KQs RAISE
CO UTG KJs RAISE
CO UTG QQ RAISE 45 CALL
CO UTG JJ RAISE 3 CALL
CO UTG TT CALL
CO UTG 99 CALL
CO UTG 88 RAISE 3 CALL
CO UTG 76s RAISE 97 FOLD
CO UTG 65s RAISE
CO UTG 54s RAISE 89 FOLD
CO UTG QJs CALL
CO UTG T9s RAISE 10 FOLD
CO UTG 75s RAISE 5 FOLD
CO UTG 64s RAISE 6 FOLD
CO UTG 53s RAISE 5 FOLD

Hero's position / OPR? / Hand / Action A / Frequency Action A / Action B
CO UTG AA RAISE
CO UTG AK RAISE
CO UTG AKs RAISE
CO UTG AQ RAISE 44 CALL
CO UTG AQs RAISE 42 CALL
CO UTG AJs RAISE 83 CALL
CO UTG ATs RAISE
CO UTG A5s RAISE 94 CALL
CO UTG A4s RAISE
CO UTG A3s RAISE
CO UTG A2s RAISE
CO UTG KK RAISE
CO UTG KQs RAISE
CO UTG KJs RAISE 4 CALL
CO UTG QQ RAISE 97 CALL
CO UTG JJ CALL
CO UTG TT CALL
CO UTG 99 CALL
CO UTG 88 CALL
CO UTG 76s RAISE 40 FOLD
CO UTG 65s RAISE 60 FOLD
CO UTG 54s RAISE 14 FOLD
CO UTG QJs FOLD
CO UTG T9s FOLD
CO UTG 75s FOLD
CO UTG 64s FOLD
CO UTG 53s FOLD

This is only one example of 1 random spot, but there are big changes in every spot with this tool if you check it one day and then 6 monthes later.

I'd like to read PokerSnowie's explanations on such changes.
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09-21-2016 , 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by outfit
Pio tells you optimal bet size? I thought you had to put the bets in yourself? I guess you could design a tree with different sizes...


If I start playing around with snowie do you guys recommend the one built into holdem manager or the real one? I guess I can use the free trial on both and see what I like better... My post was kinda pointless.
Has anyone (or you have you have had a chance to try it) got any input on this?

Had a bit of a google and seems HM built in has no limit on number of hands but doesn't have the challenge mode (?), Standalone has a limit to hands that can be analysed and needs hands to be imported.
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09-21-2016 , 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by +VLFBERH+T
So, pointers on where to look for "better than Janda's" preflop ranges much appreciated
A couple of times in his thread he has said words to the effect of "Ignore the pre-flop ranges in my book. Look at Snowie's suggestions instead".
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09-22-2016 , 10:32 PM
Snowie's preflop ranges are quite good in my honest opinion. You can and should open wider in most games though due to the number of fish still in the game.
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09-26-2016 , 11:59 AM
Snowie 3bets co 3x open ~12.5% but it's only defending to 4bets 3.77%. I don't know how it gets these ranges but if it plays vs itself shouldn't it learn to 4bet against SB a lot.
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09-26-2016 , 01:47 PM
I can no longer "view analysis" for challenge sessions. When I select the session and click the view analysis button, nothing happens for all the sessions dating back to May 2016. It used to say "viewed" but not it just says "analysed."
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09-26-2016 , 05:29 PM
Is there value in trainning by simply playing PokerSnowie over and over?

If so how many opponents should be in the game?

..HU,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8?

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Or is the value just in looking at its hand analysis?
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09-27-2016 , 06:42 PM
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Originally Posted by tuccotrading
Is there value in trainning by simply playing PokerSnowie over and over?

If so how many opponents should be in the game?

..HU,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8?
Depends what you're training for, ldo. I mostly play 6-max cash 100bb deep, so before firing up a real money client, I play challenges that are 6-max and 100bb deep with rebuys at 70 or 80% (depending on how many hands I want to play in my warm-up).
When I'm having a tourney month, I might practise full ring 30bb freezeouts instead, as the strategy is somewhat different for that.
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09-30-2016 , 03:35 PM
does any one know when snowie is rolling out the 25% bet to all customers?
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09-30-2016 , 05:32 PM
Not sure (I presumed all subscribers had that by now), but they said on twitter "Something big is coming!" and there's a new release scheduled for October 5th.
https://twitter.com/PokerSnowie/stat...04140996476928
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09-30-2016 , 08:20 PM
It seems like Snowie offers advice that is pretty bat**** crazy in some spots. After reading one of Arty's posts in BQ, I wanted to see how Snowie deals with having a narrow, capped pre-flop range on bad boards. 100NL 6-max UTG opens to 3xBB and faces a BU 3-bet to 10.5xBB. UTG calls with a range of 99-JJ, AJs-AQs. It seems to me that this range is going to be very hard to play on a large number of boards. On Axx boards our strongest hand is AQ when BU can have AK, AA and some light 3-bets which hit 2P/sets. On Kxx our strongest hand is second pair. On any board 8-high or lower our opponent has QQ+ and we have no sets. We can get a board which smashes our range like JT8 and effectively win nearly the whole pot, but these are rare.

So I looked at the A73 and gave UTG AQ. UTG checks AQs along with it's whole range here, which seems clearly correct. BU bets 1/2 pot 36% of the time, which seems low to me and I see that Snowie is only betting 2P+ and bluffs on this flop. When UTG bets 1/2 pot Snowie defends AQ/AJ only and folds 71% of the time. Now things get weird. Turn is T and snowie leads 1/4 pot for an EV of 23.45 This seems blatantly incorrect as the turn adds no strong hands to our range, our range is face-up so our opponent's range is polarized. The turn seems like an obvious check. Of course BU only folds to this bet 6% of the time, but his defending strategy is ridiculous. Snowie says raise 1/2 pot 30% of the time with a range of only bluffs, and call 63% with a range of 2P+ and some floats. When the opponent raises Snowie says to never fold, which makes sense if the opponent's range is 100% bluffs, but in practice and theory this line is nuts.

After BU calls and the river is the 4, Snowie says the EV of betting 1/4 pot again is equal to the EV of checking at 30.38, which is obviously wrong because the opponent can just jam on us with a balanced range. Snowie then says BU should raise 1/4 pot with all hands that can beat AQ, but no bluffs. Obviously the correct bet size here is all-in and we should have a balanced number of bluffs. Snowie still thinks we should call the raise sometimes even though the opponent's range has no bluffs.

Going back, if the flop goes x/x and the turn is the same T, Snowie says check TT and bet the rest at 1/4 pot, which is again nuts as it makes it impossible for us to get value with TT and our betting range is weak.

IDK wtf is going on. Does Snowie just completely suck at playing narrow ranges?
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10-01-2016 , 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by J Poker
I think there are 2 main problems with PokerSnowie Preflop advisor.

1. nobody knows how they calculated these ranges and frequencies.

2. the ranges and frequencies provided by PokerSnowie Preflop advisor don't seem to be constant. The decisions use to change. I guess they update it. But the problem is that from 1 update to another, decisions and fequencies may change A LOT.

For example Here is what PokerSnowie Preflop advisor was saying end of march 2016 :

Example = Spot CO vs UTG open

Hero's position / OPR? / Hand / Action A / Frequency Action A / Action B
CO UTG AA RAISE
CO UTG AK RAISE
CO UTG AKs RAISE
CO UTG AQ RAISE 38 CALL
CO UTG AQs RAISE 16 CALL
CO UTG AJs RAISE 83 CALL
CO UTG ATs RAISE
CO UTG A5s RAISE
CO UTG A4s RAISE
CO UTG A3s RAISE
CO UTG A2s RAISE
CO UTG KK RAISE
CO UTG KQs RAISE
CO UTG KJs RAISE
CO UTG QQ RAISE 45 CALL
CO UTG JJ RAISE 3 CALL
CO UTG TT CALL
CO UTG 99 CALL
CO UTG 88 RAISE 3 CALL
CO UTG 76s RAISE 97 FOLD
CO UTG 65s RAISE
CO UTG 54s RAISE 89 FOLD
CO UTG QJs CALL
CO UTG T9s RAISE 10 FOLD
CO UTG 75s RAISE 5 FOLD
CO UTG 64s RAISE 6 FOLD
CO UTG 53s RAISE 5 FOLD

Hero's position / OPR? / Hand / Action A / Frequency Action A / Action B
CO UTG AA RAISE
CO UTG AK RAISE
CO UTG AKs RAISE
CO UTG AQ RAISE 44 CALL
CO UTG AQs RAISE 42 CALL
CO UTG AJs RAISE 83 CALL
CO UTG ATs RAISE
CO UTG A5s RAISE 94 CALL
CO UTG A4s RAISE
CO UTG A3s RAISE
CO UTG A2s RAISE
CO UTG KK RAISE
CO UTG KQs RAISE
CO UTG KJs RAISE 4 CALL
CO UTG QQ RAISE 97 CALL
CO UTG JJ CALL
CO UTG TT CALL
CO UTG 99 CALL
CO UTG 88 CALL
CO UTG 76s RAISE 40 FOLD
CO UTG 65s RAISE 60 FOLD
CO UTG 54s RAISE 14 FOLD
CO UTG QJs FOLD
CO UTG T9s FOLD
CO UTG 75s FOLD
CO UTG 64s FOLD
CO UTG 53s FOLD

This is only one example of 1 random spot, but there are big changes in every spot with this tool if you check it one day and then 6 monthes later.

I'd like to read PokerSnowie's explanations on such changes.
Probably they are making changes so people would think that they are improving the software, whether or not the changes make an improvement. Poker is not as simple as backgammon.

They are never going to respond to your inquiry.
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