You have a reading comprehension problem. I never said GTO plays the player. I said a predictable player is exploitable and thus not playing the way GTO claims its the way to play not to be exploited.

You are quoting things out of context and changing and deleting parts of what I posted. I guess that's to be expected from a Poker Snowie cult member.

Yes, if you have a read you can exploit and change your "standard" preflop game. That said in today's games many regs are playing well enough that finding explo strat isn't that easy especially CCing with 3 players still to act behind you.

My generalization about regs is of course site and stake dependent. And we may differ on what "reg" means as well.

IF a player A is playing GTO by definition player B can't exploit him.

By definition yes but does that theoretical thinking translate to a real game of poker? You think having a chart to open hands with is playing GTO? How does that balance your range? It does the opposite.

Nash was real good at mathematics but did not function too well in the real world. Same thing same with GTO. Sounds good in theory but not so easily translated to real poker.





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Yeah I agree with most of that. Who are these regs anyway? They may have a 6 months winning streak and then may not be profitable for periods longer than that. Who are the regs. at Bovada/Ignition no 1 or no 7. I think they are self annointed regs or so they say in their postings at Bovada thread. So concerned that Ignition will have less fish when they are probably fish themselfs.

Of course even if there was a perfect GTO preflop chart there are still more streets to play. I don't get why you think having "standard" pre flop ranges makes one unbalanced?

I agree GTO 6m NLH isn't solved and if it were it might be impossible for human brain to constantly implement, but that doesn't mean there isn't value in studying the game from a theory perspective.

Well it is likely the softest site and even with anonymous tables there are lots of +EV strategies one can use.

First, I am not a "Poker Snowie cult member". I do use the program to help me find spots in after-session review which I may want to think over. Sometimes I find that the suggestions have merit, and other times I believe that exploititavely I played well and would play the same spot the same way again.

Second: if we were to play rock paper scissors, and I use the "throw each element at random" strategy, you won't win against me, even if I tell you my strategy. Likewise, if you were playing against a perfect GTO bot, it could tell you its complete strategy on each street, and thus be completely "predictable", and the best you could do against it is break-even by employing a GTO strategy too. Good luck trying to "exploit" a GTO strategy

That is in theory. I doubt that you could do it and play what you think is perfect in a real poker game. And even if you could you would be a big looser because of the rake, even if you do manage to play perfect and break even. LOL

But if it makes you happy, just keep dreaming that in theory you are unbeatable. It's must be nice to have a beautiful mind.
OH, and why are we playing rock scissors anyway. I thought this was a poker site.

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Because some posters are quite sharp, but others are as dumb as a rock?

Snowie having any discounts soon?
Missed out on the 40% offer a few weeks back

Do you have an account at ACR. I will like to play you HU so you can dispay your GTO unbeatable strategy.

What stakes do you play HU?

I don't have an ACR account, nor do I study/play much HU, so I'll pass up this offer of free money for now.
I'm sorry you couldn't find any value in Snowie. I find it very useful and interesting.

Just curious what tools, literature, etc you use to evaluate your own play ?

Many posters including myself use snowie and other tools as a sounding board - we don't take it's advice literally but compare what it recommends with other sources (good books, other tools, posters on 2+2..) - this in an effort to broaden our understanding of NLHE and become better players.

What's your approach to improving, how do you identify your own leaks ?

I go back and review hands thatt I know I made big mistakes. I don't need PS to tell me what a blunder is. They are pretty obvious. Most of the other stuff I don't agree with nor trust to correct. I agree only with what it calls blunders and I don't need it to know what they are.

I see. So you don't use Snowie for HU but use it for 6 handed or 9 handed were it is more inaccurate than at HU. You must truly be a genius.

Wow, can't believe all this stuff is still going on about Snowie.

One thing that did shock me about Snowie when I first was a user was its opening ranges which shockingly sort of mirrored mine. I remember it being like 77+, suited broadway, AQo, and a 65s or something like that. Then it had suited aces AKs-ATs and A5s-A2s. My openings from EP were almost identical except I had 64s instead of 65s. Also SB, was the one position I open limped and it actually looked similar to Snowie.

On the other hand, my calling ranges were much much wider than Snowie which I think is better.

Was debating with myself if I should take the 10,000 hand challenge against Snowie, because I think I would beat it. I don't want to pay the subscription though.

I'm not sure if this is a brag or a beat, but I've played exactly 10k hands vs Snowie this year. I won at 6bb/100. #variance

Neither, was considering doing it for the heck of it. Congrats on your results.

I just got an email from PS saying the released a new version of their AI

This is what they say

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What's new in PokerSnowie's AI:

1/4 pot bet size has been added
Play is more aggressive and consistent
Improved overall performance in both HU and full ring, compared to previous version

""

It's available a month early to some subscribers - anyone tried it out yet ?

I got the email today. I logged in but not sure if it is updated version or not. I did not see the new bet size in there.

I gave the new AI a whirl today - played a couple hundred hands of 6max.

Much more aggressive play from Snowie - more 3 betting pre, also more raising and c/r post.

Also using 1/4 bet sizing on different flop textures.

Strikes me as a more difficult opponent which is a good thing !

I had a dabble yesterday and will have another look later today. First impression was "Well this is.... interesting."

Things I noticed immediately:
It's gone back to opening 3.5x on the button.... and folds 22 in that seat.
It sometimes check min-raises the flop. (1/4 pot check-raises for the win??)
In some pre-flop spots, it will min-5bet and then flat call a min-6bet and play a flop where the pot is three times the size of the remaining stacks.

I wonder why they would chose to do a 1/4 bet before doing a 3/4 bet. 3/4 bet size is more common.