I don't consider what snowie says are errors to be errors...sometimes what it says are blunders I do consider erros. Calling and then Min betting is the only way to extract value from snowie and then it easily folds on the river. If I had raised preflop snowie would have folded 95% of the time. Where by calling and then betting it calls my bets and then easily folds on the river.

I am happy that you blindly accept all snowie "errors" as real errors in real live poker...go ahead and ruin your game following what this micky mouse program advices...as the others posters have stated, mighty snowie ruined their game and they had to unlearn what snowie taught them to get back their profitability...you go straight ahead follow snowie's advice blindly as to what errors are...you are well on your way to becoming a worse player.

" if you used Snowie to identify and focus on some of your blunders. In the aces hand, the big blunder is that you called pre-flop."

Problem with raising against snowie on the flop is that it will fold right away and I lose EV...where I know that I can let snowie put more money into the pot and then I can make it fold 95% of the time. LOL. In this hand it folded to 1bb bet at the river.
But you know best, go ahead and blindly do as snowie says...one more fish in the making.

Snowie does not fold 95% of its range to 3-bets. It actually opens the BTN pretty tight to begin with and defends quite a lot.

Here you go, I just made it fold 100% of the time. Made .60 a hand profit and it says I played like a beginner....You can say anything you want...here is the prove

Sample size?

You can easily figure it out. When are you guys going to realize that a static player that plays the same all the time is so exploitable that it's like taking candy from a baby.

I just wanted you to specifically say, "15 hands". It's not that I can't do math, it's that you actually saying it should get some bells to go off in your head.

I can tell you my exact strategy in some spots without you being able to exploit me at all---that's the main idea behind a GTO strategy to begin with.

For example,

Say I have 6 combos of AA, and you have KK and the board runs out 2349Q. If on the river I make a pot sized bet of all in with all 6 combos of my AA and 3 combos of bluffs (say 76s) how are you going to exploit me knowing my strategy here?

The same idea applies to a lot of snowie's plays. I'm not saying it's infallible as it especially has leaks vs. large sizing and small sizings as well as makes some weird plays in multiway pots and rivers. But, when it comes to flop plays 100bb effective and HU, it plays pretty darn well.

You're joking, right? Like brokenstars pointed out just because a strategy never changes doesn't mean it's exploitable.

In the real world can you make more money by exploiting other players weaknesses? Absolutely no one has ever argued against that here.

Snowie is an excellent tool that should help anyone THINK differently about situations in poker, but lots of people come in expecting Snowie to tell you how to play and crush for 4bb+ - Not happening.

You've completely missed the point of this tool if you come in here arguing about how it sucks. At the very least it should open your eyes as to what your opponents are capable of.

Snowie has had a big impact on how I have played over the past couple of years, and for the better! <3 Snowie!

Snowie's strategy is far from static. There's a thing called mixed strategies. Snowie takes mixing to extremes, to the point that it's almost impossible for anyone but a savant to memorize the overall strat.



FWIW, there are spots post-flop where I can narrow Snowie's range to 6 combos or fewer, and make pretty much "perfect" decisions against it, but - like most half-decent players - I can do that against real people too. Snowie's 'unpredictability' is one of the reasons why it's a pretty tough opponent.

So snowie will call with AA and the other day you said snowie would only raise and that I had made a error, called me fish in fact, because I just called to extract value and then make snowie fold.

Also, the main issue that I have with snowie is that it is a extremely soft player and it folds quite easily, is quite close to being predictable. . And then when it goes all in out the blue it seems that it is a bluff most of time. You can just take the full its stack the majority of the time, if you have a decent hand, when snowie goes all. To me it is a very predictable bot at least when it is attacked and it tries to determine how to defend raises.

Also in that chart is shows that snowie would call small pairs like 22 and 33 yet when I do that it says its an error. It gives silly errors all over the place yet I beat it even using different styles of play. No matter what style I play snowie cannot take this into account ,it just continues to play the same predictable way.

I am going to look into this with pioviewer sometime soon. Today I am taking a holiday don't feel like thinking too much.
Are you saying that snowie uses GTO strategy? Cause I don't have issues with GTO the issues are with the softness of snowie as a player.

By the way I only play snowie 6 max, which is what I am better at. Have not played HU and not too interested in HU right now as I play mostly MTTs in if get there when only too players remain the outcome is largely determined by luck. That what a lot of pro players say happens when you get the final 2 in a tourney and its been my experience too. A lot of all ins the finish the tourney and let the cards fall where they may.

Also how can snowie play mixed strategies when all it does is compare average prior EV between folding, calling, or raising according to the database they have assembled of what happened in prior hands played by the snowie1 vs snowie2, etc.?

It may be mixed on the opening range preflop, after that its just comparing EV to EV of another option to EV of another option on its own limited database of what happened in bot vs. bot play. Such "EV" may not even be representative of what happens in the real world, as this is just Bot vs. Bot play.

Are you snowie lovers training to play bots or are you training to play for money?

So brokenstars is a poker god? Do you take everything you read on the internet at face value? If you do then snowie is the perfect GTO player.

From their site:

Incorrect evaluations when the opponent makes clearly non GTO moves

When an opponent plays clearly non GTO, by taking lines which are commonly known as wrong, PokerSnowie's evaluation might be incorrect. This is especially emphasized when an opponent goes all-in with a big overbet (3 times pot or more), or during the course of the hand a big overbet was played.

While we know this is a clear weakness, we believe it does not impact the learning features of our software, which lay in the ability to learn a proper balanced GTO strategy and find patterns of mistakes which lead to lose EV or becoming exploitable.

We are anyway planning to fix this issue in one of our next AI updates.

They still claim GTO.
https://www.pokersnowie.com/about/weaknesses.html

First, is this a daily holiday that you take?

Secondly, yes I am a poker god.

Thirdly they specifically reference snowie's disadvantage facing very large bets, which I previously mentioned (as well as very small bets). It says it has the ability to LEARN gto, not that it plays GTO. You are seriously an idiot. If you look at the post that YOU referenced it states that snowie is not perfect. WTF are you trying to reference? To prove your opposition correct? Well played, sir.

"PokerSnowie is not perfect and theoretically beatable by a perfect system."

Then it literally provides an example where Snowie is wrong, lol!!! No one here has said Snowie is perfect, but I will say Snowie is VERY likely better than you.


Fourthly, I should have followed suit with these two individuals who are clearly more intelligible than I.

Fifthly, some major TL;DR dude. You needed four different posts all 20-30 minutes apart to do your babble?

If you see my posts, all except one I was responding to posts that quoted what I had posted.

So if you are poker god let me have your screen name and I will confirm it when I check it in sharkscope.

Are these the profits of a poker god? After paying for snowie you made $48

Yeah, that's from like 4-8 years ago.

The genius in you continues to shine!

Hi, just wondering if pokersnoiwe support antes? because it's advice isn't that helpful to me if it doesn't.

I have no idea about Brokenstars winrate, but based on what I've seen of the logic he uses to make poker decisions I certainly would prefer to play at tables he wasn't sitting at.

That being said, I merely referenced his previous post because he had pointed out your misconception about "static" strategies before I could.

I only believe everything I see on TV. Obviously everything on the Internet is a lie.

No, it does not support antes or straddles.

This is all time from like Nov 2013 til February 2016 and I started at 5nl with $100.

The chart I posted was for its strategy in the SB in an unopened pot.
When you're sitting in the BB facing a raise, there are mixed strategies with some hands, but not with aces. It's 100% a 3-bet, and that's why your flat call was marked as a blunder. You're missing out on more than 3bb of EV right there.

If you took the time to look at Snowie's ranges for post-flop spots, you'd see it's not particularly 'static' at all. Mixed frequencies are very common, just as they are if you run solver software like Pio.

OK. So what you are saying is you are disregarding Snowie's recomendations based on EV and instead are playing according to what Snowie shows in the ranges that you have memorized for the hand you have. Then you would get errors according to Snowie on most streets played, as Snowie would say you made an error when EV differs even by one penny of what it thinks the EV is for a particular action, which makes Snowies EV based recommendations worthless.

I don't think I'm saying that at all, but it's hard to understand what point you're trying to make, tbh.

You are putting to much value in "protecting your hand". The difference in EV between checking and betting oop on the flop is close (1-3%) and checking has a higher EV a good portion of the time. Check it out with pio.