Pokersnowie question - Page 13 - Poker Theory

Why do you think nlhe dying will cause another game to get popular? Poker being unbeatable also doesn't mean fish will stop playing it. Roulette is unbeatable too yet plenty of people blow money on it every day.

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Originally Posted by PokerRon247

Question for the guys helping Snowie out by playing it and giving feedback: If Snowie was instead called UltimatePokerBot and they advertised it by saying "we're building the bot to beat all bots, the bot that will eventually kill off poker, come help us in our quest", would you still be as willing to help?

You guys are giving waaay too much credit to PokerSnowie team.

Why do you think they are good enough to create GTO bot? Or even try to improve it that much that they collect all hands etc?

So far it seems to me it's just a program with ton of fake marketing to grab some quick cash from donks.

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01-19-2014 , 03:43 PM

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andyg2001

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Originally Posted by mike1270

if they have a group of montenegro guys crushing so hard after using snowie to learn poker why not release graphs and player names? if the stories are true it would really help their sales?

From what I've heard there not so much crushing as holding there own.

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01-20-2014 , 03:25 AM

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mike1270

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Originally Posted by andyg2001

From what I've heard there not so much crushing as holding there own.

does that mean break-even at 500NL zoom?

do you have real information or just rumor mill stuff?

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01-20-2014 , 07:12 AM

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Babarberousse

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andyg2001 is obviously working for snowie

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01-20-2014 , 12:14 PM

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MatteyA28

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If you read this thread through its obvious some of the posters work for snowie. No joke.

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01-20-2014 , 12:57 PM

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andyg2001

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Don't play 500nl Zoom, but I can see two Monetenrego players playing 4 tables and one playing 2 tables, which I would guess are Pokersnowie trained players, which are playing at the moment.

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01-20-2014 , 07:07 PM

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DrRepper

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zachvac is right

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01-21-2014 , 01:23 AM

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Babarberousse

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Originally Posted by andyg2001

Don't play 500nl Zoom, but I can see two Monetenrego players playing 4 tables and one playing 2 tables, which I would guess are Pokersnowie trained players, which are playing at the moment.

Yes it has to be them. There can't be other Montenegrins people who play poker.

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01-21-2014 , 11:20 AM

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djenkov

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From what I can see, Pokersnowie can beat microstakes easily, dunno for higher stakes.

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01-21-2014 , 12:07 PM

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RustyBrooks

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Originally Posted by djenkov

From what I can see, Pokersnowie can beat microstakes easily, dunno for higher stakes.

What/where/how do you see this? Please be specific.

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01-21-2014 , 12:32 PM

#311

Intuemini

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Originally Posted by Babarberousse

Yes it has to be them. There can't be other Montenegrins people who play poker.

All the players from Montenegro, that I have encountered at 500nl zoom tables, are probably using snowie. You can tell it from their preflop sizing. Don't know anyone else who opens utg, mp and co for half pot and btn for pot. I have no idea how well they are doing though. A friend of mine said that they are losing but I can't confirm that.

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01-21-2014 , 01:16 PM

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Given their marketing strategy do you actually believe they're winning/doing anything impressive using snowie and they haven't bragged about it or posted graphs?

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01-21-2014 , 04:53 PM

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clfst17

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Just beat Snowie heads up for 91 BB/100 over 1,136 hands FWIW. I'm not a good poker player at all.

I was playing straight forward for 200 or so hands and was down 4 buy-ins. Then I just played like an aggro-donk, playing every hand, 3-betting 100%, betting all 3 streets often and overbetting rivers a ton. And I started crushing. The more aggressive I was, the easier it was to beat Snowie as it clearly was folding way too much.

I don't think Snowie bluff-raised me a single time before the river. This is obviously such an enormous leak as to render it totally useless even for microstakes...

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01-23-2014 , 02:05 PM

#314

LeR0y

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Where can one play Snowie HU?

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01-24-2014 , 01:06 PM

#315

andyg2001

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Originally Posted by LeR0y

Where can one play Snowie HU?

Google Pokersnowie and download the trial from there website, and click on Challenges.

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01-24-2014 , 06:01 PM

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zachvac

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I played snowie hu. For 2k they can have the results as well as the strategies/adjustments I employed and how I think it could improve.

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01-24-2014 , 08:59 PM

#317

Scootoo

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Can anyone here beat pokersnowie?

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01-24-2014 , 09:16 PM

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RustyBrooks

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Originally Posted by Scootoo

Can anyone here beat pokersnowie?

Yes, several people in this thread have beaten snowie.

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01-25-2014 , 02:45 AM

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DonkCommitted

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I used it's step by step advice and got murdered at full ring.

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01-25-2014 , 06:37 AM

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mme

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Originally Posted by DonkCommitted

I used it's step by step advice and got murdered at full ring.

we should introduce a sample size measure to poker: 2k$-is-enough-for-everyone == 1 zachvac

you now played 0.04911 zachvacs - i would think there is still hope.

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01-25-2014 , 08:29 AM

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xHQx

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Originally Posted by DonkCommitted

I used it's step by step advice and got murdered at full ring.

u need to play...umm let's say 10000 TIMES MORE
then you can say
mmkay?

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01-26-2014 , 07:51 AM

#322

Fellony

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Is there any way I can check my SNG HU hands in Snowie?

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01-26-2014 , 04:01 PM

#323

ReadOnYou

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Originally Posted by PokerRon247

Fwiw I don't really have a opinion on the question (except a purely selfish one of wanting the game to never get any harder, but I do understand all sides). It was more the fact that if someone came onto 2p2 and said "hey guys I'm building a bot, will you help me?" then I'm sure he wouldn't have anywhere near as good responses as the Snowie team will have had after creating a legitimate and flashy looking website and using their marketing skills to entice people in with "perfect poker" etc.

THIS.

u guys shouldnt be supporting them.

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01-26-2014 , 05:07 PM

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lsdeee

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Snowie likes a fold w/ 22-33 from the HJ when folded to 75 BB deep. Seems weird. Not earth shattering obv., but that (just a weird random hand) seems bad. No?

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01-26-2014 , 05:18 PM

#325

clfst17

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Originally Posted by lsdeee

Snowie likes a fold w/ 22-33 from the HJ when folded to 75 BB deep. Seems weird. Not earth shattering obv., but that (just a weird random hand) seems bad. No?

Snowie could easily be off here of course but if for the sake of discussion we assume Snowie is approximately GTO then I would say said strategy is still probably pretty bad against your generic opponent.

I say this because I'm guessing that your typical real world opponent will play poorly enough post-flop against your 22/33 (especially when you flop sets) such that you make up for the tiny preflop mistake. So the "exploitatively wide" opening range is going to usually be worth it imo.

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