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 05-31-2012, 06:14 PM #1 stranger   Join Date: May 2012 Posts: 2 Optimal "CALL 3bet" stat? Hi! When I play online I use the "CALL 3bet"-stat in my HUD instead of "FOLD to 3bet". The reason for this is that I think it's more important to know how often your opponent call 3bets rather than folds. Because if opponent calls very often I increase the magnitude of my 3bet. If using the "Fold to 3bet"-stat I can't automatically calculate how often he calls. For example, opponent has 70% "Fold to 3bet". This doesn't mean he calls 30%, but it means 30% of hands he either 4bets or calls. Maybe he never calls and only 4bets? One other thing is that the "Fold to 3bet"-stat is in my popup window while "Call 3bet" isn't, so I have access to both stats. Since I'm using color-scheme in my HUD (e.g VPIP>35 = green) I want to know if someone knows what a fishy/ok/optimal figure would be for the "Call 3bet" stat? I've searched the web but no one ever seems to mention this stat. If you can't answer my question feel free to discuss what you think about the "Call 3bet" stat. Do you think it's good?, do you use it?
 06-04-2012, 11:05 AM #2 enthusiast   Join Date: Jan 2011 Posts: 57 Re: Optimal "CALL 3bet" stat? Your reasoning in differentiating Call 3 bet and fold to 3 bet is a valid one, as you rightly say, the fold to 3 bet does not allow for 4 betting from villain. Maybe the reason that you cannot find any strat info on your thoughts is that it has never been discussed before or the players that are like-minded have kept it to themselves. Gonna add it to my HUD, keeping f-3b as well and monitor it. Sorry I can't help with the figures Fisk. Will keep an eye on this thread for sensible input.
 06-04-2012, 11:50 AM #3 Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: lnternet Posts: 11,727 Re: Optimal "CALL 3bet" stat? just look at your own and at stats of people who think think represent certain categories well I use fold to 3bet and 4bet; i think you need 2 of the 3 stats (fold,call,raise)
 06-04-2012, 12:53 PM #4 veteran     Join Date: May 2011 Location: P(G) = 0.02% Posts: 3,258 Re: Optimal "CALL 3bet" stat? There are tons of possible caveats, but the quick answer is that a normal/good call 3bet stat is around 25%.
 06-05-2012, 09:14 AM #5 veteran   Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 3,299 Re: Optimal "CALL 3bet" stat? i would say ideally id like to have 60 30 10 for fold/call/4bet. any wider than 60 ur folding too much. any lower and you're probably calling too wide or 4bet bluffing too much. that said, i have no idea what i am. i just know when opponent is these stats im pretty annoyed

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