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Old 03-13-2013, 01:02 AM   #1
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No Limit Irish Poker Strategy

As some of you will know, Full Tilt Poker has recently added Irish Poker to it's repertoire of games.

Irish poker is a variant of Hold'em, where instead of players receiving two hole cards they get four and must discard two after the flop round of betting. After that, it is just like a normal game of NL Hold Em.

Tips, strat, questions and discussion can all go here for this fun new game.
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Old 03-13-2013, 12:40 PM   #2
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Re: No Limit Irish Poker Strategy

I doubt that the game that is completely new to the wide audience will stir a lot of strat talk soon, as the player pool is yet small (though already exceeding the PLO regular table traffic as of now , but much more PLO tables are running at other sites), the regs will be facing each other all the time, and so giving away strat tips is massively -EV.

The current consensus among PLO regs is that paired and especially double-paired starting hands are very strong in Irish, while rundowns are way weaker than in PLO. That's because sets play themselves postflop in Irish and straight possibilities and threats are smaller than in PLO. An ace-high suit still adds much strength to a starting hand - I already saw a couple of ace-high vs king-high flush stackoffs yesterday.
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Old 03-14-2013, 08:38 AM   #3
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Re: No Limit Irish Poker Strategy

Been playing quite a bit recently, all of the above seems correct.

In addition, like in PLO, look for weaker players to get married to over pairs. So far I've found that people tend to either stack off way too light or miss lots of value, so i'd recommend trying to get to know your opponent a little before getting the first stack in.

Also look at the speed at which people discard their cards OTF, this will give you some clues as to where they're at

Should be a profitable game for the early adapters
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Old 03-18-2013, 11:03 AM   #4
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I'm gonna try this today after work. Prob watch the biggest game while playing it 5NL

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Old 03-18-2013, 02:51 PM   #5
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Also look at the speed at which people discard their cards OTF, this will give you some clues as to where they're at
Just to say that, for me, this would only indicate that the software often struggles to recognise the cards I'm trying to discard, making it look like I am pondering a decision
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Old 03-18-2013, 08:22 PM   #6
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Are double Holdem hands like 8s8cAhKh playable?

If so, what to discard on a 8h7h3x flop? Or 8hTxJh?

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Old 03-18-2013, 09:25 PM   #7
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Are double Holdem hands like 8s8cAhKh playable?

If so, what to discard on a 8h7h3x flop? Or 8hTxJh?

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I suppose it depends if you think your opponent is chasing a worse flush. But then, since you have the A and K of hearts, the best your opponent should be chasing is Q high and it seems unlikely a good opponent will pay you off if chasing a Q high flush.

Keep top set all day.
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Old 03-18-2013, 09:43 PM   #8
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Keep top set all day.
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does the second flop merit any discussion? cause in my tiny plo experience bottom set is not good.



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Old 03-19-2013, 01:47 AM   #9
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Re: No Limit Irish Poker Strategy

seems like a much better game than PLO
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Old 03-19-2013, 02:06 AM   #10
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does the second flop merit any discussion? cause in my tiny plo experience bottom set is not good.
As always, it depends on the opponent and the action, in the current unsolved state of the game (people have so different approaches) reads are much more important than in PLO. If the opponent is a PLO convert or a solid reg and has donked or check/raised into you, keep the draw (but balance your range - next time when you have a bottom set, but without a decent draw to go with it, keep it and semibluff on flushing turns, especially if you have discarded the blocking ace ). However, if he's a whale and tends to overplay top 2 or even an overpair, keep the bottom set and get as many chips in on the flop as you can.

As for the first flop, keeping a top set is almost always a no-brainer.

I like PLO much more, find it more balanced and really miss wraps in Irish; a 5-card variant with 3 hole cards held on the turn, possibly with draw poker elements, would be nice.
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Old 03-21-2013, 11:26 AM   #11
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Re: No Limit Irish Poker Strategy

We have been playing this at our house most days for about a month since I started learning to really play poker (we also play 5cards and drop one on each street).
One thing we debate is you have 2pair in your hand or one pair and a flush draw.
Two pair with about 20% chance to improve or one pair and flush draw with about 50% chance to improve.

Which do you choose to play.

Top two i keep except where flop is triple broadway.
Bottom two i go for 2nd pair and flush.
Top n bottom i go flush if nut draw.

Against bad players who will pay a flush I may drop top two for top pair and nut flush draw.
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Old 03-21-2013, 01:16 PM   #12
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Re: No Limit Irish Poker Strategy

^ since you say you're learning poker I'll tell you something about this that you might find useful. Poker is really a lot about hand reading and range-construction. which means a question like the one you asked doesn't have any sort of an answer like the one you suggested. Your choice has to depend, at a bare minimum, on flop action, on the number of players who saw the flop, on the amount of hands that people play and on their playing style.
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Old 03-21-2013, 07:52 PM   #13
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Re: No Limit Irish Poker Strategy

We drop the cards before betting the flop, ive yet to play online so not sure if this is how they do it.
In this game you often lack fold equity so you want to choose the cards with the best showdown value hence my post, if you drop cards after betting it gives you a lot more information to construct the, range and choose obv'
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Old 03-22-2013, 09:58 PM   #14
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Re: No Limit Irish Poker Strategy

Final 3 on the full tilt game of the week tournament at the moment,

Double Pairs and most hands with AA, KK seem to be the value once its near the bubble etc overpair has been good almost all the tournament for everyone from what I can see.
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Old 03-22-2013, 10:03 PM   #15
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Re: No Limit Irish Poker Strategy

What would you do here, this is what I got knocked out on.

We were all in preflop I had 6688 double suited.

flop 445

I kept a 6 and a 8 for the gutshot, he had JJ and it held up.
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