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12-15-2014 , 04:16 PM
Hey guys!

I've got a little heads-up question. What should be the villains "Fold vs 3bet" percentage to be better for us to just flat call our value hands preflop?
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12-16-2014 , 02:06 PM
Can you start by defining "value hands"?

To me, a "value hand" is one that can raise and get called by worse. If so, flat-calling misses value, and it will never be "better" to do so.
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12-16-2014 , 02:25 PM
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Originally Posted by FishFromSVK+
Hey guys!

I've got a little heads-up question. What should be the villains "Fold vs 3bet" percentage to be better for us to just flat call our value hands preflop?
Not really that simple. E.g. we'd consider KQ a value hand, but it's probably a 3b regardless of how often the BTN is folding, and when that isn't true, the relationship between f23b and slowplay desirability isn't going to be positively linear: against a 100% f23b you make +3.5 bb 3b-ing a standard open, but EVcall approaches EV3b at some lower f23b; you'd make less against a 80% f23b, for example. AA is a value hand too, but we'd probably rather slowplay if BTN folds a ridiculous amount.
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12-16-2014 , 02:28 PM
vs someone who folds too much to 3bets, you can obviously start 3betting any two cards. eventually he'll call/defend so you might aswell have your big hands in your 3betting range when that happens...

i can see where you're going though
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12-17-2014 , 04:31 AM
I was wondering this myself.
If V has 80% fold to 3b, is it better to 3b or call hands like AA, KK, QQ, AKs? I often don't know what to do in these spots..
I guess there is also option to min 3b or something, but that would just reveal our hand to such opponent..
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12-17-2014 , 11:48 AM
Actually yeah I think that vs a 80% fold to 3bet, we 3bet any trash and flat our premiums more often
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12-28-2014 , 09:42 AM
Fish, pls check your PNs.
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12-28-2014 , 02:25 PM
the problem is, people adjust. it doesn't take even the biggest idiot to realise you're re-raising him with total garbage all the time.
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