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Old 01-21-2012, 02:53 PM   #136
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Re: NLHE: 3betting and facing a 3bet

good stuff ITT

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Old 02-03-2012, 07:05 AM   #137
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Re: NLHE: 3betting and facing a 3bet

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Old 02-03-2012, 11:39 AM   #138
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Re: NLHE: 3betting and facing a 3bet

Still the best article on 3betting that ive ever read and one of the best articles I have ever read as well.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:34 PM   #139
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Tnks for the bump. Just discovered this last night. Spent a normal Saturday grind reading and taking notes on this entire thread. Probably made/saved myself thousands of dollars doing so.

Keep up the good work, OP.
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Old 02-13-2012, 12:38 PM   #140
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Re: NLHE: 3betting and facing a 3bet

I agree fantastic thread
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Old 02-13-2012, 10:11 PM   #141
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Good post OP, iLike
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:53 PM   #142
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Re: NLHE: 3betting and facing a 3bet

Ronin and all other contributors, Thanks so much for the thread, it's really great info.

I was wondering if you or anyone else has some insight in to using these ideas in more of a MTT setting where we are usually playing with shorter stacks.
I think 1-30BB strategy has been pretty well covered all over the internet, but lets say for example we have about 50BBs effective and are 3b by what we perceive to be a polarized range. In this case is flatting OOP really a correct play? We will have to devote lets say 10-15% of our stack to make this play. I am conflicted because I think we can win big pots when our opponent will try to cbet bluff and maybe even barrel all the way when we hit, but I can also see this being a situation where we could bleed chips trying to implement this strategy. Above you mentioned using a polarized 4b range to combat this, would this be the best answer when we have shorter stacks? Obviously this can be very player dependent with how much air you perceive their range to have
Also, how much is our tournament life worth, if anything, when up are against a polarized 3b range, where we have to decide if we are up against Q3 or AA when making this play?

A second question, how does the wider stack off ranges in MTTs affect the strategies you have outlined here when coming up with polarized and merged 3b and 4b ranges? Many of the merge 3b ranges sound like tight stack off ranges in MTTs lol. Would be very interested to hear thoughts on this.

I hope others are interested in using some of these strategies in MTTs too and we can generate some discussion, Thanks again
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Old 02-15-2012, 11:52 PM   #143
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Re: NLHE: 3betting and facing a 3bet

Whats merge mean ?
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Old 02-16-2012, 01:45 AM   #144
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I like it aloooot
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Old 03-04-2012, 12:57 PM   #145
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Old 03-04-2012, 05:20 PM   #146
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Re: NLHE: 3betting and facing a 3bet

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Whats merge mean ?
I was wondering this too.

I understand that polarize basically means nuts/air mix.

I can't imagine that merge simply means the opposite i.e. only medium strength hands.

Does it just mean premium hands. That doesn't make sense to me either.

Does it mean premium plus very strong? If so, how does the word "merge" describe that grouping?
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Old 03-04-2012, 09:17 PM   #147
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Re: NLHE: 3betting and facing a 3bet

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I was wondering this too.

I understand that polarize basically means nuts/air mix.

I can't imagine that merge simply means the opposite i.e. only medium strength hands.

Does it just mean premium hands. That doesn't make sense to me either.

Does it mean premium plus very strong? If so, how does the word "merge" describe that grouping?
Merging basically means you're depolarizing. So for instance 3 betting medium strength hands for value as well as your strong hands instead of 3 betting only really strong hands and really weak hands.
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Old 03-07-2012, 02:49 AM   #148
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Re: NLHE: 3betting and facing a 3bet

Typically, against someone who folds to 3-bets quite a bit you should 3-bet bluffs and hands that can play for stacks preflop. Ie. something like QQ+, AK and pure bluffs. And flat hands that play well postflop but aren't strong enough to play for stacks, ie something like 66-JJ (though where the exact cutoff is depends on the opponent of course, against some TT, JJ are autostackoffs, against some they are not). That's a polarized range.

Against someone who calls 3-bets too much, you 3-bet a merged range. That means 3-betting hands like 66+, AJ+, because the opponents calls with hands that you're ahead of, like small aces, lower pocket pairs, random junk.
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Old 03-07-2012, 07:15 AM   #149
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Re: NLHE: 3betting and facing a 3bet

I find the term "merged range" a little but awkward linguistically, always when I read it I see this:



As a player you dont "merge" anything, you just simply apply a "continuous range" meaning you pick cards as an uninterrupted sequence.
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Old 03-08-2012, 09:22 AM   #150
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Re: NLHE: 3betting and facing a 3bet

This was an excellent read! Every line of this post is packed with great thought provoking ideas, very well written. Thank you very much sir!
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