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 07-30-2012, 03:06 AM #1 banned   Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 3 Math and 18 men SNGs hey all i want too share so people can comment on my poker theory... if any mathmatician would like too particpate i would appreciate. i ve been killing online 180 men turbos but due too less action for these at higher stakes and the time and luck factor involved in these sngs i am turning too 18 men. i want too eleborate with you people a strategy or theory too beat 30\$ and 60\$ 18 men turbos.... i am a math guy so i am start with the math part.... lets take a look at the double up strategy 1st double up 1 in 2 chances takes you too 9 players in theory 2nd double up 1in 4 chances which takes you too almost 4th and we will use 4th for the demostration. pay ladder 1 buy in and 2/3rds for a 1 in 4 chance 3rd double up 1 in 8 chances wich would take you too 2 nd place in theory for a pay of 5 buyins,meaning every 8 sngs i play i get paid 5 4th double up 1 in 16 chances to make 6 buy in 1/2... so this isnt the optimal strategy we need more theory math and strategy involved. this strategy in volves playing JJs or better trying to get all in and the all in have to be called too double up.... : spade: but wait heres a little note on JJs or better math 60% of the time over card to a jack will flop so 100% of the time an over card will fall by the river. so with JJs the strategy is too limp and to min raises trying to get the most chips out of you opponents.or just flat out go all in and be real aggressive to get the most chips out of a aggressive player my have top pair in position a something between pair of 8s-9s-Ts-Js thinking you limped in with a small pair. if an over card is on board and your opponent is in position put him on a range of one high card with a small card probably suited which leaves hime with 3 outs too the river.so that gives him somthing like 24% too hit his high card too the river , right.so 15% on the flop wich is pretty good to just check your JJs too check min raise or just chack call on the flop. but wait their are 11 outs posibble if he holds 1 high card for him but only 3 are good so 11/3= 3.666 so if a high card comes he`ll hit his outs only 36% of the time. if the player is aggressive you check to him and if a pair falls on the flop and you have a calling station you might want too bet 1/2 pot on flop and turn.him thinkink his ace is good if he has one on a paired board situation. remember we limped or min raised repping a small pair with the JJs. So this stratagy applies too bigger paires with weaker odds for your opponent. and the above strategy of double up with weak returs only applies if you end up doubling up. So now we need mor theory math and strategy... see you tommorow.........
 07-30-2012, 04:23 AM #2 banned   Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 3 Re: Math and 18 men SNGs [QUOTE=raplika1;34015054]hey all i want too share so people can comment on my poker theory... if any mathmatician would like too particpate i would appreciate. i ve been killing online 180 men turbos but due too less action for these at higher stakes and the time and luck factor involved in these sngs i am turning too 18 men. i want too eleborate with you people a strategy or theory too beat 30\$ and 60\$ 18 men turbos.... i am a math guy so i am start with the math part.... lets take a look at the double up strategy 1st double up 1 in 2 chances takes you too 9 players in theory 2nd double up 1in 4 chances which takes you too almost 4th and we will use 4th for the demostration. pay ladder 1 buy in and 2/3rds for a 1 in 4 chance 3rd double up 1 in 8 chances wich would take you too 2 nd place in theory for a pay of 5 buyins,meaning every 8 sngs i play i get paid 5 4th double up 1 in 16 chances to make 6 buy in 1/2... so this isnt the optimal strategy we need more theory math and strategy involved. this strategy in volves playing JJs or better trying to get all in and the all in have to be called too double up.... but wait heres a little note on JJs or better math 60% of the time over card to a jack will flop so 100% of the time an over card will fall by the river. so with JJs the strategy is too limp and to min raises trying to get the most chips out of you opponents.or just flat out go all in and be real aggressive to get the most chips out of a aggressive player my have top pair in position with something between pair of 8s-9s-Ts-Js thinking you limped in with a small pair.15% too hit his top pair or just about on flops that can potentially come out. if an over card is on board and your opponent is in position put him on a range of one high card with a small card probably suited which leaves hime with 3 outs too the river.so that gives him somthing like 24% too hit his high card too the river , right. but wait their are 11 outs posibble if he holds 1 high card for him but only 3 are good so 11/3= 3.666 As Ks or Qs so if a high card comes he`ll hit his outs only 36% of the time that will beat you. if the player is aggressive you check call to him and if a pair falls on the flop and you have a calling station you might want too bet 1/2 pot on flop and turn.him thinking his ace is good if he has one on a paired board situation. remember we limped or min raised repping a small pair with the JJs preflop. So this stratagy also applies too bigger paires with weaker odds for your opponent. and the above strategy of double up with weak returns only applies if you end up doubling up. So now we need more theory math and strategy... see you tommorow.........D Last edited by raplika1; 07-30-2012 at 04:32 AM. Reason: revised for errors in paragraphs and 15% mistake
 07-30-2012, 04:37 AM #3 grinder   Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 445 Re: Math and 18 men SNGs Look, if this is a long-winded way of asking for \$1.20 to rebuild your sit n go roll, it's better if you just get straight to the point. I'm in, fwiw.
07-30-2012, 11:29 AM   #4
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 Originally Posted by raplika1 hey all i want too share so people can comment on my poker theory... if any mathmatician would like too particpate i would appreciate. i ve been killing online 180 men turbos but due too less action for these at higher stakes and the time and luck factor involved in these sngs i am turning too 18 men. i want too eleborate with you people a strategy or theory too beat 30\$ and 60\$ 18 men turbos.... i am a math guy so i am start with the math part.... lets take a look at the double up strategy 1st double up 1 in 2 chances takes you too 9 players in theory 2nd double up 1in 4 chances which takes you too almost 4th and we will use 4th for the demostration. pay ladder 1 buy in and 2/3rds for a 1 in 4 chance 3rd double up 1 in 8 chances wich would take you too 2 nd place in theory for a pay of 5 buyins,meaning every 8 sngs i play i get paid 5 4th double up 1 in 16 chances to make 6 buy in 1/2... so this isnt the optimal strategy we need more theory math and strategy involved. this strategy in volves playing JJs or better trying to get all in and the all in have to be called too double up.... : spade: but wait heres a little note on JJs or better math 60% of the time over card to a jack will flop so 100% of the time an over card will fall by the river.
lol

can't believe I read that far

 07-30-2012, 12:44 PM #5 Carpal \'Tunnel     Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 14,938 Re: Math and 18 men SNGs I have to admit I am not real impressed.
07-30-2012, 06:09 PM   #6
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 Originally Posted by raplika1 i am a math guy so i am start with the math part.... 60% of the time over card to a jack will flop so 100% of the time an over card will fall by the river.
Using your math, if we were playing a game with a 6 card board would an overcard come 120% of the time?

 07-30-2012, 08:47 PM #7 newbie   Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 47 Re: Math and 18 men SNGs Stopped reading since you have pretty bad use of grammar.
 07-30-2012, 08:55 PM #8 banned   Join Date: May 2012 Location: FE is sooooo overrrated Posts: 480 Re: Math and 18 men SNGs Just keep playing JJ+ only bro and join the other regs in contributing to my rent.

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