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Old 11-20-2009, 01:22 PM   #1
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Lowering Gambling Age

Hey 2p2 people, first time posted long time reader here. Well for my college speech class we have to give a persuasive speech about a certain topic and I thought lowering the gambling age to 18 would be appropriate. Well, that or the good old "Is Poker Gambling?". But definitely going with lowering the gambling age as that would most likely be more easy to persuade as many people refuse to believe that poker is a skill based game.

Anyway, anyone want to help!

I read something someone said that I think will be pretty persuasive.

You can enter a war at 18 years old and gamble your life, but you cant gamble some money?

Will appreciate anything really :P

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Old 11-20-2009, 02:07 PM   #2
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Look into Minnesota gambling laws. The gambling age here is 18 for most casinos. I've been to quite a few here in MN, and have only seen one that was 21+.
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Old 11-20-2009, 03:25 PM   #3
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I'm Canadian and the legal gambling age here is 19 for most provinces and 18 for Quebec and Alberta (same with drinking). You could probably find stats and arguments made for the lower gambling age in Canada that you could use in your speech. Don't go with "Is Poker Gambling?" 1. Don't teach fish. 2. No one would follow the poker theory you bring up.

Gambling isn't as huge up here. We don't have a city like Vegas. I'm in Montreal and there's 1, ONE casino in Montreal, 4 in Quebec. British Columbia probably have about 2 dozen casinos. The one here in Montreal is mostly slots. The stats are something like 4000 slot machines, 15-20 poker tables, no limit Texas Hold'em only, we don't get Omaha or Stud here, less than 30 blackjack tables, and I'm not certain about roulette, craps, and other table games. It's a new and expensive casino. New as in it's about 15 or 16 years old and expensive as in the lowest limit blackjack is 15 dollars per bet.

The 2 main ones in British Columbia, Edgewater and Riverrock have lower limits for table games (5 dollar blackjack). Riverrock hosted the Canadian Poker Tour and some other televised tourneys so I'd assume their poker room is decent. My friend is a VIP at Edgewater (cuz his mom's a VIP) and he's a fan of their poker room too. I have not been to either casinos in BC since the legal age is 19 and I'm only 18.

Not sure how much this would help you.
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Old 11-20-2009, 06:30 PM   #4
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if you didn't know the UK has gambling(and drinking) age of 18, there has been a lot of discussion about it in the last few years as gambling has become more popular, i barely play table games but i am in various casinos across the country on a regular basis and i see a lot of 18-21 year olds playing low limit table games, especially roulette where minimum bet is normally 50p or around 85c. i dont see this as a bad thing and being 20 i know a lot of people in this group and cant really think of anyone i know who has a problem, a night out in a casino is fun for a lot of people aged 18-21 and doesn't present any risks.
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Old 11-20-2009, 06:40 PM   #5
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Choose a different topic. I am pretty sure you will not get an A no matter how good your speech is. People simply refuse to understand why poker is not 100% gambling. Your teacher will just view you as another degenerate gambler.
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Old 11-20-2009, 08:44 PM   #6
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you should be able to be a toddler sitting in your superman pj's at a home game playing for a 100k's large tbh
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Old 11-20-2009, 09:11 PM   #7
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i think in the us most gambling restrictions are based on the drinking age (ie casinos serving drinks), not on the gambling age, so gambling arguments may not be that relevant.
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Old 11-20-2009, 09:18 PM   #8
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In that case, lower the legal drinking age too. 21 is ridiculous. You should be able to vote, drink, and gamble at the same age. I'd actually argue lowering the drinking age to 15 or 16 but that's a whole other debate.
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Old 11-20-2009, 09:23 PM   #9
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i think in the us most gambling restrictions are based on the drinking age (ie casinos serving drinks), not on the gambling age, so gambling arguments may not be that relevant.
Restaurants serve alcoholic drinks, should you need to be 21 to go into one? No, that's ridiculous.

Now I'm 18 in the US so I haven't been in a casino here, but I'm sure they check your ID. They could simply implement something to distinguish who's underage and who's not. Such as a bracelet like they use in hospitals, or w/e is better.
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Old 11-21-2009, 06:18 AM   #10
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Restaurants serve alcoholic drinks, should you need to be 21 to go into one? No, that's ridiculous.

Now I'm 18 in the US so I haven't been in a casino here, but I'm sure they check your ID. They could simply implement something to distinguish who's underage and who's not. Such as a bracelet like they use in hospitals, or w/e is better.
lol you never get IDed at the bar in the casino.
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Old 11-21-2009, 07:51 PM   #11
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how about get rid of the gambling age and let the casinos set the limits?
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Old 11-21-2009, 08:57 PM   #12
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In that case, lower the legal drinking age too. 21 is ridiculous. You should be able to vote, drink, and gamble at the same age. I'd actually argue lowering the drinking age to 15 or 16 but that's a whole other debate.
I agree that it would make more sense to have a standard age of consent for everything (gambling, marriage, whatever).

I live in the state of Michigan (US) and they have one of the wierdest age-of-consent screw-ups that I have every seen. The age of sexual consent in Michigan is 16. So, age 15 is "jailbait", age 16 is not. Pretty simple right?

But wait--the online age of consent is 18. Yes, you read that right. You can take a 16-year-old to a motel and that's fine. But if you get online and ask a 17-year-old to meet you at a motel, that is illegal "solictation", and whether or not any sex actually happens, that act of solicitation is, under Michigan law, criminal sexual conduct.
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:34 AM   #13
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Wow, that is really weird.

But about the gambling and drinking thing. I find it very illogical that you can join the army, serve in a foreign country, sleep in rain, crawl through mud, suffer through heat, get shot at, take a bullet and when you come home, you can't legally order yourself a beer or hit up the casino with your friends.

Lower the legal gambling age could produce an influx of fish into the low limit live games which is +EV for low limit regs. Then again, I've been told by some of my friends from the States that they're much more conservative than Canada and that anything taboo is hard to get laws in favour for.

I'm going on a tangent here but alcohol age should be lowered to 15 or 16. Reason: they're doing it anyways. Better reason: 15 or 16 year old kids are still living at home. Their parents can educate them on proper alcohol consumption before they leave home, go to college and realize drinking until you wake up in a hospital is fun.
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:49 AM   #14
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grunching: gambling age is 18. most casinos serve alcohol without checking ids, so they want everyone in there to be 21.
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Old 11-22-2009, 03:53 AM   #15
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Wow, that is really weird.

But about the gambling and drinking thing. I find it very illogical that you can join the army, serve in a foreign country, sleep in rain, crawl through mud, suffer through heat, get shot at, take a bullet and when you come home, you can't legally order yourself a beer or hit up the casino with your friends.

Lower the legal gambling age could produce an influx of fish into the low limit live games which is +EV for low limit regs. Then again, I've been told by some of my friends from the States that they're much more conservative than Canada and that anything taboo is hard to get laws in favour for.

I'm going on a tangent here but alcohol age should be lowered to 15 or 16. Reason: they're doing it anyways. Better reason: 15 or 16 year old kids are still living at home. Their parents can educate them on proper alcohol consumption before they leave home, go to college and realize drinking until you wake up in a hospital is fun.
hey frank, go write your fkn congressman or something. in some states it is legal to drink with your parents at home, in some states it isnt. i dont know, like your whole post has been discussed over and over and over again in many many different places.
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