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10-20-2015 , 08:02 PM
Hello, I want to improve my preflop game in no limit holdem - 6max.


I will start by what i know,

I will start by UTG open for TODAY

UTG

from this position I open 55 tru AA, KQs, KJs, AQ, AK, AJs (Ajo I fold)

according to the Card matrix from Equilab, that is aprrox 7.84% of hands, I think
that I feel pretty comfortable with that nitty percent from the UTG since I am playing
on micro lowest stakes and can get away easy with that.
Is this fine? Add what you think please
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10-21-2015 , 01:51 AM
It's fine, but you can probably play a fair bit wider than that in most games, as even at 2NL you can steal the blinds from UTG fairly often (especially in fast-fold games). Once you're comfortable with the nitty range UTG, start adding more suited aces and suited Broadways. A 15% range should be profitable if you play reasonably well post-flop, and the best players at higher stakes play even wider than that.
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10-21-2015 , 09:52 AM
All right, I guess I could add for now more suited aces and suited Broadways.

Tell me, does my opening should be changed if I am at softer so to say table, that I have felt I have weaker players in the blinds and I want to get involved in more hands with them?
I am asking this specificaly because I felt that whenever I change my game to loosen up so to say I dont do well. For that reason I feel that I do badly on weekends when the game is in general looser, I loosen up my ranges from all positions and get into spots I am not too much comfortable. hmmm
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10-21-2015 , 03:46 PM
My range for UTG on an unknown table is

22+, any suited broadways, AJ+, KQ+, A2-A5s, 98s+

This is like 14-15% if IIRC, then if there are fish I widen it up. My overall UTG open is 17%, so as you get more comfortable preflop and postflop you can start adding hands that are a bit thinner EV.
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10-21-2015 , 07:04 PM
Amm, I think that for starting you can Open something like 66+, ATs+, AJo+ KQo , KTs+, QTs+, JTs, T9s

That will be ok, also if you are playing too low stakes, I mean NL2 - NL5, I would recommend you open 22 - 55 too . Because, we don´t care they flop fatally, but when we hit a set you can win a complete stack of your rivals ! In these stakes specially

Cheers
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10-21-2015 , 08:47 PM
Okay, thanks for the feedback guys, its great.

I decided to post one hand that is related directly to my preflop play,

These are tough spots for me, when I get 3bet with this marginal hand so to say KQo, KJs, AJs, AJo, ATs, I don't know if its better for me to just muck it or go call with it (I never 4bet with any of them, almost never.. MAybe I should decide to 4bet some of them and make my preflop game easier? But if do, Dont know where to start..), when I get 3bet i know that I can be dominated many times and it sucks, if I had any pocket pair would be easier to call and play postflop.

- $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 4 players[/b]
Hand converted by PokerTracker 4

BB: 126.1 BB (VPIP: 18.75, PFR: 15.09, 3Bet Preflop: 9.26, Hands: 164)
Hero (CO): 85.5 BB
BTN: 161.2 BB (VPIP: 21.43, PFR: 15.58, 3Bet Preflop: 2.13, Hands: 161)
SB: 148.5 BB (VPIP: 23.08, PFR: 12.82, 3Bet Preflop: 15.00, Hands: 41)

SB posts SB 0.5 BB, BB posts BB 1 BB

Pre Flop: (pot: 1.5 BB) Hero has Q K

Hero raises to 2.6 BB, fold, SB raises to 6 BB, fold, Hero calls 3.4 BB

Flop: (13 BB, 2 players) Q 9 J
SB bets 9.7 BB, Hero calls 9.7 BB

Turn: (32.4 BB, 2 players) 5
SB bets 24.3 BB, Hero calls 24.3 BB

River: (81 BB, 2 players) 4
SB checks,


Hope for more feedbacks guys, and thanks for understanding!

Last edited by Vai123; 10-21-2015 at 08:54 PM.
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10-21-2015 , 09:04 PM
Buy in full, you can never fold anything in your range vs. this sizing, check river as played.

Mark SB as fish, next hand.
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10-22-2015 , 10:26 AM
At 10NL and below, I'd recommend folding potentially dominated offsuit Broadways to 3-bets, but that particular 3-bet is so small that calling is OK. Villains aren't 3-betting light very often in the micros. They usually have value-heavy ranges that include AK and AQ. KQ does not do well against those hands.
As played, check back river for sure, and take a note on villain's hand and the line he took.
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10-25-2015 , 08:31 AM
My default UTG open range; 22+,A2s-A5s,KJs/o+,QJs+,ATs+,AJo+
Should be pretty tough to mess up. I think this would give you a few more hands upfront without changing your game enough to cause trouble.

JTs, KTs, KJo, and ATo are all hands I think you could add once you feel comfortable post flop.
Hands like QTs, 98s, A9s, QJo can be added if you have a tight image, tight blinds, and not a lot of 3 betting.

I'm guessing the range I listed is about 12% (I play bovada fast fold and heads up only so don't use a HUD) and Id guess 12% is reasonable at low stakes and somewhere near perfect for micros.
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10-25-2015 , 08:35 AM
Oh, in that hand you posted, I'd want to fold to the 3 bet but the price is too good.
That makes me want to call and play carefully.

Flop is super easy call.
Turn is a bit suckier but still a call (planning to fold most rivers)
River is so good when villain checks. My heart wants to check back and win at showdown but I think you may make money w a small bet.

Maybe bet 1/2 pot and fold to a raise. It's thin but I bet it's +EV at micros

Last edited by Donovan; 10-25-2015 at 09:03 AM.
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10-25-2015 , 11:27 AM
Okay, thanks a lot for feedback again guys.

This time in the hand villain had AA, i guess thats really top of his range.. so its fine, yea 3bet so small that I can't really fold and then flop turn is played itself..

I am adding those that Donovan wrote for now and will see.

Soon will ask more questions.
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11-23-2015 , 10:07 AM
Okay guys, here is an update of my game, as it changed hugely.

I started opening from utg about 15% which includes many suited aces etc.

From MP i open about 25% i think

From CO i started opening .35%

and from BTN i started stealing a lot, I play nl5 zoom on stars atm, and many peoples are just nitting it up at blinds , when i see like 70% bb fold to btn raise i just open almost any two, my btn open variance, but it usually go from 50% to 70 - 75%, in one session i saw it was 82% lol

I started also defending a lot my blinds to btn open and bb, hands like K7s, or A4o that i folded before, i started calling off. AS one guy told me if btn opens 50% , folding hands like K7s or A4o is noN brainer



In next post I will post some questions that i have regarding facing 3bets pre flop and how to respond to them, for now im just folding a lot which is i guess very bad, but thats even better than do anything else without any clue
thanks
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11-23-2015 , 01:54 PM
25 in mp and 35 in co is very loose, but as long as people arent 3betting a lot and u r a lot better than the field you'll be okay... but id suggest tightening those up a bit
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11-23-2015 , 02:45 PM
Yes, I guess its loose. Thanks for youir commend buddy.

Now my question will be, how can i learn and where, or you can help me out with your comments, which hands i will need to start to defend as a call, or as a 4bet. I am getting 3bet preflop a lot, I feel that peoples even on this low limit nl5 realize and start to pound on late position raises with ease.
I started folding a lot because i focused lately mainly on my steal play from late positions and didnt want to call off much to not get into tough spots so to say, but now i need to learn which hands i need to start 4beting vs light 3betor which hands to defend as call.
Please help me out guys with your advices
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11-24-2015 , 01:13 PM
I need some help and answers guys, dont let me down now.

I've received some inbox offers for to pay $ for videos, i dont want that , come on
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11-24-2015 , 07:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vai123
I need some help and answers guys, dont let me down now.

I've received some inbox offers for to pay $ for videos, i dont want that , come on
Get coaching, haha.

Anyways, this is the time to "try stuff out" and "think for yourself". So, basically try stuff out.
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11-25-2015 , 04:18 PM
vs gay sizings you can fold first readless, not because you have potoodd or some ****, but just because you don't lose much unless they do it a lot and you can be definitely dominated if they are not bluffing. also you can just fold flops if they cbet because if they do, it just means that they didn't 3bet you, but actually 3bet you to a sizing of min3bet and cbet combined. now you know that he cbets and you ccan fold and play accordingly the next time, but first time you fold every non nut flop.

when you 3bet you want to know why you 3bet, when oop you probably want to 3bet because it's hard to play. when vs button, you probably want to 3bet because range of araiser is wide. when guy is utg raiser, you probably gonna call. if guy is stealing a lot and folding to 3bets, you don't care about postflop equity so you can 3bet blockers and offsuit hands, while calling with suited, when guy calls 3bets in position with suited hands and ****, you want suited hands too that dominate his **** and since he calls with worse hands you don't need to defend your blinds anymore because you can get some value postflop which will even up the loss of blinds.
if people 3bet you alot, look at their ranges if they call with aq kq aj and ****, but still got high 3bet % it means they semibluff a lot and this means they have to fold to 4bet alot with blockers, unless they are sickos and 5bet bluff you too then you actually need to tighten up really much and just wait for their spazz. if people 3bet only good hands - just fold, they don't defend enough to cover blind losses.
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11-26-2015 , 12:53 PM
Okay thanks pechkin for your comments, it feels like many of those im encountering and many are so usefull and logical.
Thanks all guys anyway

Ok, I will be posting now from time to time some hands, maybe my lately results to check out with you guys
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11-26-2015 , 01:00 PM
Ok, here is my monthly graph of nl5 fast zoom, It might look like little hands as it is, but I do not play ONLY that limit and on that site so therefore it is just part of me.

https://gyazo.com/50acceb738742c580ef38b54e18a9be7

You can check out my stats, its something 25 19 7 % it looks not bad since I were tso itght before

Last edited by Vai123; 11-26-2015 at 01:10 PM.
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11-26-2015 , 02:21 PM
fold to 3b too high
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11-26-2015 , 04:28 PM
exactly , i just folded almost anything in those times, thats why they 3bet me even more,
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11-29-2015 , 01:25 AM
good calling hands are A2-A5 suited with potential to 4bet as they can flop strongly.

mostly call with all pairs above 44 and if you feel you are being 3 bet lightly by aggressive typesthrow in some suited connectors as these can flop well and are hard for villan to put you on and therfore great for getting value.

These are just some general rules to start but start really thinking what the entire range of hands villan usually has in each position and then think with the action he just took what are the hands does he do that with and then carefully choose a reaction.

Last edited by Galfondprodigy; 11-29-2015 at 01:34 AM.
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12-09-2015 , 11:59 PM
If you think villians are 3 betting light vs u i would advise using Hands like AQ, AJ, KQ to to 4bet they can flop well vs JJ-77. Problem with 4 Bet bluffing (especially OOP) is, some Players 3B bluff 9high and fold to a 4bet. some other call that 4bet with 9 high. once you know villian has a reasonable high Fvs4BET percentage you can easily 4betbluff Hands like TJs or A4s. 4 betting is really important not only to collect dead Money but also to create some dynamic
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12-10-2015 , 02:29 PM
thanks a lot Zuko,
thanks a lot Galfond
very useful to me comments
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