LAG versus Hyper LAG - Page 2 - Poker Theory

**dlk9s** · 04-18-2007, 08:23 AM

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Im an NLH LAG player and i win an average of two max buy ins in a 1 hour period. Ive have seen good Hyper LAG players make 10 times there max buy in 30 minutes to 1 hour. So i started recently playing a Hyper loose Agressive style and i have been winning an average of about 5 max buy in an hour even with all the variance. Its great. When i was a good TAG player i would only win about 1 max buy in per hour.

I've never offered this to anyone before, but...

...can I stake you?

At least let me hold you in my arms for a night.

KipBond · 04-18-2007, 09:54 AM

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Im an NLH LAG player and i win an average of two max buy ins in a 1 hour period.

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Ive been a NLH player for about 8 months, i never really had any bad variance swings and now im making about two times my max buy every day so my profit for the day is 200% of my max buy in.

So which is it?? 2x-buy-in/day or per hour? Or you only play 1 hour in a day?

GittyUP · 04-18-2007, 10:25 AM

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Heres just a little bit of info. This is basic strategy but i would have to write a book to explain it all so sorry if this sounds shallow.

I raise any two cards from 27 to AA, 5 to 10 times the BB pre flop and post flop continuation bets about 1/2 pot to 3/4 size the pot dont matter what i have. Ill bet the turn hard if i connect on the flop or turn, ill check the turn if i totally missed or i may raise if i missed and i feel Villian is weak. On the river usally Villian is trapped if i have the best hand he has to call for the remaing of his chips. But im gone by the turn if i can read my opponent is strong. After playing like this for a while a TAG will start valuing his top pair and two pairs very strong and thats when you hit you straight, little flush, set or full house and you stack him. Its all about hand reading being very agressive confusing the hell out of villian and getting all your money in with strong hands. But one word of caution dont play this way without alot of experience i have played 20k hands to get to this level. Also i played a long time as TAG so i understand there tendancies. one more thing this strategy works better shorthanded 4 to 6 players max.

I dont believe this strategy or winrate for one second. You have any PT numbers to show us considering your the best player in the world?? LOL. My guess is your running hot at the moment but will not last.
Any observant TAG or LAG would 3bet and 4bet the crappola out of you preflop making your strategy useless.

lucky_mf · 04-18-2007, 11:24 AM

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I dont believe this strategy or winrate for one second. You have any PT numbers to show us considering your the best player in the world?? LOL. My guess is your running hot at the moment but will not last.
Any observant TAG or LAG would 3bet and 4bet the crappola out of you preflop making your strategy useless.

Also 20k hands is not a lot of experience, nor is it enough hands to get any inclining of a true win rate. 20k hands is 2 weeks worth of poker for me and 2-days worth for real high volume players. 500k hands is a lot of experience.

Lucky

Tarheel · 04-18-2007, 11:51 AM

[quote}I single table. you just have to have to be a very experienced player, have alot of guts, read hands very well, know your opponents, and size your bets very well on all strets.

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Oddly enough, this statement is very sound from a guy w/ only 20k hands under his belt.

aaharty · 04-18-2007, 11:55 AM

seriously hope this is levelling..

shymijo2love4 · 04-18-2007, 01:26 PM

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Im an NLH LAG player and i win an average of two max buy ins in a 1 hour period.

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Ive been a NLH player for about 8 months, i never really had any bad variance swings and now im making about two times my max buy every day so my profit for the day is 200% of my max buy in.

So which is it?? 2x-buy-in/day or per hour? Or you only play 1 hour in a day?

When i play TAG thats what i usually profit but playing HAG its about 5x my buy in an hour.

shymijo2love4 · 04-18-2007, 01:32 PM

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Heres just a little bit of info. This is basic strategy but i would have to write a book to explain it all so sorry if this sounds shallow.

Like i said this is generic strategy its much deeper then this. Im just looking forward to hear from other great hyper agressive players to prove my point. i know its hard for you TAG to understand this cause its not in your nature.

jgca · 04-18-2007, 03:26 PM

Tell me, Professor Goodrun, how many rivers do we have to hit to employ your strategy?

RollinHand · 04-18-2007, 03:41 PM

I play HAG too, it's so much fun.

KipBond · 04-18-2007, 03:44 PM

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Im an NLH LAG player and i win an average of two max buy ins in a 1 hour period.

In this post you said:

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Ive been a NLH player for about 8 months, i never really had any bad variance swings and now im making about two times my max buy every day so my profit for the day is 200% of my max buy in.

So which is it?? 2x-buy-in/day or per hour? Or you only play 1 hour in a day?

When i play TAG thats what i usually profit but playing HAG its about 5x my buy in an hour.

So which is it?? 2x-buy-in <font color="red">per day</font> or <font color="blue">per hour</font>? Or you only play 1 hour in a day?

Rainclouds · 04-18-2007, 04:32 PM

Jamie Gold wins 1200 buy-ins in 10 days, so 2 buy-ins per hour is nothing. You're barely a break-even player.

runout_mick · 04-18-2007, 05:37 PM

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Jamie Gold wins 1200 buy-ins in 10 days, so 2 buy-ins per hour is nothing. You're barely a break-even player.

Gold is a part timer. 1200 buyins/10 days? Pshh. I win 1200 buyins per hour by playing SUPER DUPER TRIPLE DOG hyper lag. When I perfect ULTIMATE super duper triple dog hyper lag, I expect close to a billion buyins per minute. I don't use pokertracker, so I have no stats or graphs, but trust me... Why would I lie on an internet message board?

You are all my bitches!!!1!onE!!

shymijo2love4 · 04-18-2007, 07:30 PM

So like people say in here winning 2 or 5 buy ins an hour is a barley a break even player. so i guess its no big deal what i win. Do any other HAG want to discuss strategy. You can send me a private messgae.

Chomp · 04-18-2007, 07:34 PM

To me, the brief outline strategy posted by OP sounds exactly like lots of good LAGS I see play (up to 100NL), so I don't understand the sceptical comments from some about the strategy.

If a LAG is good, "simply" 3/4betting sounds easy, but at the table it is not so easy if your natural game is tight. That's the whole point of the LAG gameplan for god's sake: exploit people's natural weakness (folding a lot) by being aggressive.

And as OP implies, lots of TAGs simply don't adjust in time. The strategy is almost always the same - bomb the first 2 streets, shut down if you are played back at or keep bombing/cr if you actually have the goods and trap poor TAG's TPGK. But TAG will keep on folding to those first 2 streets because that's what TAGs do.

And most TAGs are a lot more T than AG, so any agression without the nuts is unatural to them.

In addition, the good LAG needs to get his strategy right against each of 5 players the majority of times he tries it. The TAG just needs to TAG it out in a small number of hands, so that makes it even tougher.

As a pathetic weak-tight wanabee TAG, I have a lot of admiration for these guys and wish I could either play like them or clean them out playing TAG. But I can't do either.

And I recommend any less experienced TAGs who are sceptical about the strategy to drop down 2 levels and try the LAG game. Raise every hand preflop 4-8 x bb. Bomb every flop. Bomb every turn. Fold to resistance. Trap when you hit. It is incredible the feeling of ownage you have as people keep folding. I tried this a couple of times with great results, but always move back to my pathetic TAG game whe I move back up. Bizarre. And probably dumb too.

That said, lol 20k hands.