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01-02-2017 , 10:58 PM
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In his heads-up, No-Limit Hold'em seminar, Jungleman12 advocates using a 14% 3-bet range. This range is composed of:

88+,ATs+,KJs+,QJs,JTs,T7s+,96s+,85s+,74s+,63s+,52s +,42s+,32s,AQo+,KQo

One can see it is slightly polarized, given it 3-bets the strongest hands, and other very weak hands; although, it also 3-bets "middling hands" such as KJs or QJs.

What do you think of this range? How would you alter it, if you were on the BB vs a SB raise in a 6-Max game (i.e. you are in-position instead of out-of-position)?
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01-03-2017 , 01:16 PM
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I presume you're referring to the HU strategy seminar on YouTube. The ranges in that seminar are about 5 years out of date. Around the time he did that lecture, his BB range was considered very loose. Playing that range/strategy today would mark you out as a nit.

There are much better range charts and 3-betting strategies for contemporary games on all the training sites. Solvers also come with "standard" HU defending ranges. They don't look much like how Cates used to play.

Additionally, HU play is not the same as SBvBB in a 6-max game. The SB in HUNLH has the button and that radically changes the optimal defence for the BB.
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01-11-2017 , 06:32 PM
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Like OP, I'm curious about presence of middling hands like JTs in this 3b range. If we are going to have bluffs like 74s and value hands like AQ in our range, why aren't we just taking a flop with the hands in between?

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I presume you're referring to the HU strategy seminar on YouTube. The ranges in that seminar are about 5 years out of date. Around the time he did that lecture, his BB range was considered very loose. Playing that range/strategy today would mark you out as a nit.

There are much better range charts and 3-betting strategies for contemporary games on all the training sites. Solvers also come with "standard" HU defending ranges. They don't look much like how Cates used to play.

Additionally, HU play is not the same as SBvBB in a 6-max game. The SB in HUNLH has the button and that radically changes the optimal defence for the BB.
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01-11-2017 , 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by ArtyMcFly
I presume you're referring to the HU strategy seminar on YouTube. The ranges in that seminar are about 5 years out of date. Around the time he did that lecture, his BB range was considered very loose. Playing that range/strategy today would mark you out as a nit.

There are much better range charts and 3-betting strategies for contemporary games on all the training sites. Solvers also come with "standard" HU defending ranges. They don't look much like how Cates used to play.

Additionally, HU play is not the same as SBvBB in a 6-max game. The SB in HUNLH has the button and that radically changes the optimal defence for the BB.
Did you really just suggest that the range listed is TOO TIGHT by a WIDE MARGIN????

If so, LMMFAO. Thanks for that!
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01-11-2017 , 09:04 PM
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Did you really just suggest that the range listed is TOO TIGHT by a WIDE MARGIN????
No, I didn't mean that. His overall VPIP was lower back then. (In the same way that 6-max players were tighter 5 years ago). The 3-betting range has changed to reflect the wider ranges, but I'm not sure about the 3-bet frequencies. Some of the hands he used to 3-bet are now standard calls, other hands that might have been calls or folds previously are now 3-bets. There's also a lot of mixing. The game has evolved, so using a 5-year old hand chart might not be a great choice for today's games.
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01-11-2017 , 09:59 PM
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No, I didn't mean that. His overall VPIP was lower back then. (In the same way that 6-max players were tighter 5 years ago). The 3-betting range has changed to reflect the wider ranges, but I'm not sure about the 3-bet frequencies. Some of the hands he used to 3-bet are now standard calls, other hands that might have been calls or folds previously are now 3-bets. There's also a lot of mixing. The game has evolved, so using a 5-year old hand chart might not be a great choice for today's games.
Perfectly stated. Thanks for the clarification. Without knowing the specifics of what you are indicating, I'm in agreement with the general principle.
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