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10-01-2014 , 07:26 PM

Kombaiyashii

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I 3-bet with a range containing 200 combos. I make the decision to bet half pot.

The top 25% of my range is for value.

How many bluffs should I mix in with my range?

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10-01-2014 , 08:09 PM

enzet

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depends on the equity of your bluffs.

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10-01-2014 , 09:05 PM

just_grindin

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Originally Posted by Kombaiyashii

I 3-bet with a range containing 200 combos. I make the decision to bet half pot.

The top 25% of my range is for value.

How many bluffs should I mix in with my range?

Does your 25% value include 5bet bluffs?

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10-02-2014 , 05:03 AM

Kombaiyashii

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Originally Posted by just_grindin

Does your 25% value include 5bet bluffs?

not when they see the flop.

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10-02-2014 , 07:46 AM

de4df1sh

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Assuming we auto lose or auto won when called.

If I'm correct I think that you can add up to 300 combos of bluffs in additoon to your 200 value range if you 3b half pot.

Atleas this would be a 'balanced" range.

The more that I think about this the less confident I am in what I am saying.

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10-02-2014 , 07:49 AM

de4df1sh

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Wait I think I get it.

If your 200 combo range is including bluffs and value you need to skew it so that you have fewer than 25% bluffs.

Right?

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10-02-2014 , 08:32 AM

enzet

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Originally Posted by de4df1sh

Wait I think I get it.

If your 200 combo range is including bluffs and value you need to skew it so that you have fewer than 25% bluffs.

Right?

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he has a frequency of 3betting 15.1% of the hands preflop in a certain positional play, and refers as "valuerange" the top 25% absolute value hands (3.75% handrange, or 50 combinations) on a certain flop.

the flop texture/dynamic indicates how many bluffing combos you can fire GTO-wise, i suggest you try some simulation with flopzilla. if you can have multiple 8+ outs combinations on a flop you can cbet all of your combos except bad underpairs. if the flop is mega-dry (theoretically 0 outs with bluffs), you have to balance it to 3:1 ration ([value]:[air]) and checking the remaining ~65% (balance the xf-s with check/continue range as well!)

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10-02-2014 , 04:07 PM

just_grindin

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Originally Posted by Kombaiyashii

not when they see the flop.

That doesn't make any sense. What I'm asking you is (though I think you inadvertently answered it already) when you say your value range is 25% of those combos, does that include the combos you are 5bet valuebetting and 5bet bluffing or are you just ignoring 5betting all together here and saying some middle parts of your range are for 3bet value betting because villain will flat with worse? Imho the former is easier to talk through while the latter is more of a nightmare.

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10-03-2014 , 02:35 PM

Wilfred1

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25%?

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