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Originally Posted by NMIZIZ
Stop and go is defined (I guess) as just calling pre, leaving SPR < 1 behind for the flop. We then commit with flopped equity and otherwise fold. So, no donk-shoving every flop.
Well a donk-bet is a donk-bet because you're betting when you should theoretically be checking to the stronger range, not because you bet out all the time. I feel like "stop and go" is mostly just another way to say donk-bet. You can come up with valid reasons to do it, but it usually involves trying to fold weaker "fit or fold" type players off their equity. In situations where your range is legitimately strong compared to the preflop raiser betting out is just "a lead".
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A similar thing often occurs in PLO, when calling a 4bet (expected to be AAxx)
to see a flop and commit on favorable flops. (I read an article once that at SPR=1 this play favors the caller even with a wide range)
That's absolutely not true. A huge mistake people make in PLO is just auto-calling 4bets with whatever they 3bet with. Plenty of suited run-down type hands are calls but random AKQx and KKxx hands are folds. Even calls though would rarely "favor" the 3bettor (as in I 3bet my rundown hoping to get 4bet). Its possibly true for deep stacks but not 100bb.
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But what about a hand like KQs/JTs?
We need a pretty advanced calculation to account for the different types of flops we commit on, etc.
Flopzilla shows those percentages, but fails to put it all together as equity vs AA (or range)
Do you know an easier, more convenient way to go about this?
There isn't an easy way to do this but it is essentially just a math problem. It's straight implied odds as opposed to some sort of stop and go idea where we're bluffing our opponent off their equity and rely on an imprecise guess that villain will be over-folding.
You can use the HvH feature of propokertools to kind of map out how different flops look for you. Mostly with something like JTs, the graph doesn't look that much different than 55 in the sense that you're mostly whiffing and can't continue, but when you hit your equity spans a much wider range. To get a rough estimate you can just average that range. So 10% of the time we have an average of 60% equity, as opposed to 90% for a set.