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07-31-2010, 10:00 PM
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banned
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
PRO MERC razz superstar ITT..i own you
here, let me put this into perspective for you.
1st level: camz
2nd level: f idiot jackstraw
3rd level: stavia
4th level: LOL SICK DEGEN
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08-02-2010, 09:23 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2010
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
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Originally Posted by Mcdonald'sWorker
Can someone give an example of levels 4 and 5 as I find it confusing there?
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EkBuKQEkio
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08-04-2010, 11:08 AM
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#33
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: On the edge.
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
Do a Google Search on Bond18 a pro here at 2p2 and read his blog, he gives an excellent illustration on levels of thinking players.
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10-16-2010, 04:36 PM
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stranger
Join Date: Oct 2010
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
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Originally Posted by Lego05
1st Level: Your cards
2nd Level: What does your opponent have
3rd Level: What does your opponent think you have
4th Level: What does your opponent think you think he has
5th level: What does your opponent think you think he thinks you have
Etc. Etc.
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so, it is actuely two level of thinking
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10-17-2010, 12:53 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Sep 2003
Location: Hong Kong
Posts: 3,208
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
Cliffnotes:
Think about what your opponent is thinking about.
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10-17-2010, 02:26 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jan 2006
Posts: 701
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
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Originally Posted by fluffysheap
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The clip was cut too short! It leaves out the final part where the princess asks how it was he prevailed and he gives an explanation that serves as a punchline for the entire scene.
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10-17-2010, 06:41 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Restealing the high blinds
Posts: 449
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
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Originally Posted by Lego05
At micro stakes and 1/2 live 2nd level thinking is usually all that's necessary.
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Pretty much all that's necessary...
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10-18-2010, 09:33 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Canada
Posts: 491
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
^this^ is so true.
I know I have a leak here. I try out-thinking fish/call stations,fail! Some will even start chasing me to other tables!(not really a bad thing).
Solution...
Table select the tightest tables. Tags and Tifs are your friend if you want to employ/practice higher levels of thinking at the micro levels. Here you will find your level 2 thinkers that you can start honing your level 3 skills on.
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10-20-2010, 07:46 AM
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enthusiast
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: san luis obispo
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
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Originally Posted by TheYellow
at what level is image manipulation, metagame and balancing employed
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200nl+, some 100nl
and all levels of HU
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10-20-2010, 01:51 PM
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adept
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: Sweden
Posts: 850
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqf7wxHn8PM
Ivey know's Durrr is raising alot of **** in that spot, so he re-raises, and dwan know's that Ivey know's that, so he re-raises, and ivey know's that dwan knows that ivey knows this so yea..
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10-20-2010, 04:59 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Oct 2010
Location: Plymouth, NH
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
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Originally Posted by mattepatte
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cqf7wxHn8PM
Ivey know's Durrr is raising alot of **** in that spot, so he re-raises, and dwan know's that Ivey know's that, so he re-raises, and ivey know's that dwan knows that ivey knows this so yea..
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That is some great 6th level thinking! That is why Ivey is one of the best, his ability to think like this.
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10-20-2010, 06:04 PM
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old hand
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 1,463
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
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Originally Posted by shrewsbury91
That is some great 6th level thinking! That is why Ivey is one of the best, his ability to think like this.
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lol. against durrr that's standard. not sure what dwan was thinking there, he's getting owned whether ivey has it or not.
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10-21-2010, 05:58 AM
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banned
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 390
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
Can someone use an example of a poker hand with these 5 levels of thinking and explain the thinking? I am pretty sure someone posted something like this before but i cannot find it.
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05-25-2012, 06:54 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 257
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
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Originally Posted by chessterfish
thinking levels get deeper when you play players you know alot as well and can lead to some exciting play
a simple example would be continuation betting a dry flop, you know that you likely had the best hand preflop and the flop is likely to have missed your opponent so you make a c-bet. Your opponent may have realised this however, perhaps you have been raising the btn frequently and he may decide to play back at you with a raise as a bluff. The result of this is that to adjust to each others strategy you each adjust your own as well as bet sizing etc, as a result you both move closer and closer to an equilibrium strategy
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Like a typical BU vs blinds reg war.
I raise AQ on BU, BB calls, Flop is K52r - I bet He knows I miss this flop alot but will cbet my entire range here so he check raises.
I know he doesnt raise Kx here and doesnt turn showdown hands into bluffs too often but does like to bluff raise flops. So he reps thin with just 55/22 (which I also think he probably 3bts or folds these 2 hands pre flop so I call).
Turn is a T - K52r T - He bets, I call
River is blank and he checks I check and AQ beats AJ.
What levels are hero and villain operating on here?
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05-25-2012, 04:42 PM
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grinder
Join Date: May 2009
Location: under the bridge
Posts: 463
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Re: First ,second, third and fourth level thinking
level 1: AQ is a pretty hand so i have to get to showdown
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