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03-30-2012 , 07:04 PM

VIVEK15

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When im playing 5-max and UTG limps in and i am CO ill isolate raise with Ax, K6o+ and around J8o+.

This i think is pretty good to do as i will sometimes take down the pot right there and sometimes play pots with the fish that limped so either way its good to iso very loose.

But how about SC (34s-JTs) or pairs like 22-66? When UTG or CO limps and im BTN or CO should i just limp behind with em? It feels a little weak but at a semi passive table this works most of the times. Esp when there are two limpers (UTG and CO) and im BTN.

What do u guys think about this? Any thoughts are much approciated.

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03-30-2012 , 09:06 PM

justj44

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I'd raise usually. If you don't expect folds then a small raise or a limp may be better so that you can make a bets on each round if you so choose.
I'd be cautious about the hands more likely to be dominated if you flop top pair. against three others a pair may not be winning.

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03-31-2012 , 04:21 AM

VIVEK15

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Thats why i go with raise 4x +1 per limper, this way i usually gets it folded around to the limper who either calls or folds and i take it down, sometimes i get 2-3 callers but thats not very often tho

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03-31-2012 , 04:43 AM

wbuster

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you will get coolered for sure if you open any connected hand

fish love Axs/small PPs

if you always stick it in with 2pair/babyflush, then they won basicly

so in theory: if you want to iso the limper because he folds a lot post, then just raise any2
if you wanna play a pot with him making it 3 BB is enoough to prize the crappiest hands of sb/bb out

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03-31-2012 , 11:02 AM

pg_780

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Originally Posted by wbuster

Losing with flushes and 2 pair hands really isn't a big problem. If the fish wants to limp/call a super wide range in an attempt to flop a monster its totally fine for us.

Raising any 2 is a very bad idea. Any half decent player will 3 bet very wide and scoop our raise a ton.

Op, I still raise the majority of those suited connectors and pairs. The junkiest of those can be limp alongs. In FL my requirements for an iso raise are a pip higher than my opening range from that position. But in NL you can go a couple pips lower cause you can exploit further.

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03-31-2012 , 12:51 PM

VIVEK15

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Alright thanks, i guess ill raise the best of my SC and hands like 64s ill just overlimp. Maybe sometimes i raise PPs aswell but i think SC is much better to iso with than PPs.

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03-31-2012 , 03:16 PM

MSchu18

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mix it up OP... why not limp and try and get 3-4 players to pay you off.

you can raise from late position for the lulz when an ace comes off on the flop.

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03-31-2012 , 05:56 PM

Swagga86

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If u open and raise wide u will get coolered a lot and people with play back at u. But limpers in EP r weak so its case dependent

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03-31-2012 , 11:07 PM

maxostoch

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Originally Posted by Swagga86

If u open and raise wide u will get coolered a lot and people with play back at u. But limpers in EP r weak so its case dependent

+1 with this.

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03-31-2012 , 11:12 PM

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JimAfternoon

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I cant imagine why you would want to limp the button in a 5-handed game. Raise or fold IMO.

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04-01-2012 , 01:19 AM

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wbuster

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if a tightpassive donk limps i limp Axs and pp behind

why not?

and if megalomaniac limps then that should be a red signal

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04-01-2012 , 11:05 PM

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Swagga86

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Originally Posted by wbuster

if a tightpassive donk limps i limp Axs and pp behind

why not?

and if megalomaniac limps then that should be a red signal

+1. I agree. 22-66 is fine to limp or raise with. I like to play those pp as cheap as possible pf

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04-02-2012 , 05:37 AM

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W3S

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I think if the other players are folding to your iso raises, including the limper, then raising may be better, but when your iso raises are getting called every time, then limping behind with hands that tend to be dominated post flop can be better.

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