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Old 02-04-2012, 02:13 AM   #1
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Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

Just taking a step back to analyze my poker game. Raising suited boardways from any position seem to have been a standard for me for a very long time.

This was probably instill into my game after watching coaching videos. however, those are videos from a very long time ago, 2 years at least.

Was wondering how many players still raise any suited boardways EP and what kind of results do you have?

I am almost breaking even at 100NL with those hands EP and losing a significant amount at 200NL (tt by itself prove the difficulty difference at 100NL vs 200NL on stars)
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Old 02-04-2012, 06:44 AM   #2
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

You should probably indicate whether this is full ring or 6max.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:25 AM   #3
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

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You should probably indicate whether this is full ring or 6max.
Oops. my bad. 6-max.
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Old 02-04-2012, 07:42 AM   #4
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

If its me I would say yes, and would add in some stuff like KJ/QJo in there as well. I raise like 12% UTG at fullring, mind you I am currently playing 10/16nl on stars and can get away with that.

If you are having trouble beating the level you're at, it seems logical to me to tighten up in early position because chances are that marginal hands oop is where a lot of the money is being leaked.

If you have a decent sample size, just filter for hands played from ep and look for groupings of hands that are costing you money - not specific hands because it can just be variance, like you can be losing money with AT but winning with A7. Just drop the losing groupings out of your ep range and work more on playing solid postflop. Your winrate should start to improve over time by doing this. If you feel like you're getting a better handle on things, you can slowly start adding some hands back into to your ep range.
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Old 02-05-2012, 12:37 AM   #5
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

KJ/QJo UTG at fullring? That is really loose imo. But if you are making money, then it doest really matter i guess.

Yea, I was thinking, or rather having a dilemma whether to continue raising these hands because it does flop well in terms of barrel opportunity but i do think regulars call behind with a range that dominate suited broadways, besides small PP, but regulars are unlikely to make a mistake with small PP and we are likely to make a mistake when dominated.
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Old 02-05-2012, 01:26 AM   #6
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

Don't like raising them in full ring because reverse implied odds with those hands are terrible.
They might make TP sometimes, but facing any aggression you would be out kicked a lot and never know where you are. Unless table is super nitty, then playing them could be fine
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:58 AM   #7
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

In 6 max I raise UTG w/ KQs but that's about it. I agree with the whole reverse implied odds thing. I just don't think it's profitable to be OOP with hands like QJ and if you get 3 bet you pretty much have to flop 2P to be confident.
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Old 02-06-2012, 01:09 PM   #8
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

Are you sure you can win at 100nl and 200nl if you don't know this?
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Old 02-06-2012, 06:42 PM   #9
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

For me it purely depends who is after me in 6max. Raising these kind of hands in fullring utg is spewing hard imo. You may still win but your destroying your winrate.

For 6max if there are fish ahead of me I wouldnt waste my time. You dont need to nail big boards to stack these dudes. Picture cards are the best way to go here.

However if there are normal tight players/regs ahead of you by all means go for it. Mixing up your range means your always bringing the element of surprise. If you nail your hand they may give you action since their perceived range of you doesnt match the board etc.

Again if there are aggressive 3 bettors behind you I wouldnt waste my time for obvious reasons.
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Old 02-06-2012, 09:16 PM   #10
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

absolutely - all depends on your play, confidence in your play, the table dynamics, the aggressiveness of the people behind you and 27 billion other factors.

obviously if you're sitting in front of a lot of rocks, you can make this play profitably... if you have hyper aggressive players behind you, a limp can be a correct play - hell, folding it can be correct depending on the table dynamics.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:46 PM   #11
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

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In 6 max I raise UTG w/ KQs but that's about it. I agree with the whole reverse implied odds thing. I just don't think it's profitable to be OOP with hands like QJ and if you get 3 bet you pretty much have to flop 2P to be confident.
Well, yea, obviously you are folding to a 3-bet preflop. (or 4-bet bluff occassionally)
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:51 PM   #12
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

It seems most of you are suggesting playing suited boardways UTG depends on the line up behind you, which is reasonable.

Btw, I usually open them as a standard 100% and by no means I am suggesting it is -EV. Just wanted to see what other people think/ doing. I thought it was very standard to open suited boardways UTG 6-max.
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:56 PM   #13
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

Not that it matters too much, but the word is "broadway" not "boardway"
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Old 02-06-2012, 11:58 PM   #14
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

I've looked at this thread a few times already and just noticed that now lol.
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Old 02-07-2012, 09:22 PM   #15
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Re: Do you raise any suited boardways UTG?

boardway kinda sounds cool
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