Been trying to improve my game recently by creating more optimal PF ranges then altering it with player pool tendencies in game. This is my 3B range vs UTG.


Two questions:

1) I'm currently 3 combos short of MDF to a 4bet. I'm not sure what to do, add to my 5B range, 3b/call AK/QQ (feel this is too narrow of a range and can be exploited), or remove value hands from my 3B range although they're ahead of villains defending range?
2) Is a 1.5 bluff to value ratio for a 5B correct? (Not sure how this is calculated because of the equity we have when called with our bluffs)


Side note: If anyone can link me to a video/post about how a 3B range changes depending on position (as the chance of getting getting CC or C4bet decreases), it would be greatly appreciated.

Im not able to answer your great question, but I am curious why KQs and QJs are missing from your range? Seems like those would be +EV to 3b versus fold.


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No reason, I haven't started my cold calling ranges so for simplification I've left them out for now.

Ah, I see. Along with the better suited aces in a flat range.


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I don't 3-bet a lot in BB v UTG, and JTs-65s are all standard calls pre-flop for me. It seems like a waste to me to 3-bet hands that play so well in single-raised pots, but I guess you can 3-bet them at some frequency. There's very little that can continue in that position if UTG 4-bets, but it really depends on his sizing, and indeed range. I don't think MDF is particularly useful for pre-flop. Equity and blockers are more relevant.

My default 3-bet ranges for each postion are derived from what Snowie suggests: https://www.pokersnowie.com/preflop-advisor.html

Unfortunately this is a weak range.

You are going into insane detail working out the exact amount of combinations you are playing, yet, you have not said which seat you're in. You don't know if you are IP or OOP once once they continue. Your choice of range isn't too bad IP, but OOP it sucks.

Those low Ax blockers are alright IP, as the villain will rarely call. If you are OOP I would get rid of them and replace them with some Kx hands. When the villain continues; He will often think you hold an A, and so you take the A high pots whenever he misses. He himself will rarely have a K, so you can take those pots too.

You also don't account for any kind of mixed strategy. A good player will see that you're raise 'bluffing' those weak Ax and he will design his own range to take advantage of you. A more fluid range works much better than this kind of method. I know this isn't popular logic, but you should understand that GTO is not to be aimed for. GTO is to be avoided.

Thanks Arty, been looking at snowies ranges now and been using them.

I agree that my ignorance of my position is a fault, I'm going to use this as my IP range and just make some specific to SB/BB. I would disagree that villain is rarely calling a 3B OOP, Ax is just a good hand is it blocks a lot of villain's value, overcard to pairs and has good barrelling opportunities.

What you're saying about the playability about Axs hands is way oversimplified and a ridiculous example to judge how Axs works as a 3B. Kx and Ax play pretty similar, less RIO w Kx but worse blocker too but I'm interested if Kx is better just because it's less dominated vs UTG flatting range.

OOP I'll use a more linear range as you said they'll be flatting more hands. I agree with fluidity and mixed strat but I'm not playing vs villains at a point where this is affecting my winrate whatsover.

You wanna 5bet A5s, but fold AKs?

Yeah I get you I've ditched them 5Bs and put in AK/QQ OOP, IP I'm flatting AKs/QQ and AA at some freq.

Axs hands are great 3-bet hands. They are MUCH better hands than Kxs, and should be your first choices when building a bluffing range, both IP and OOP. A5s, for example, has a blocker to Ax, but it also has 33% equity against KK/QQ. I struggle to find many redeeming features for hands like K3s. People that routinely use K8s or K5s instead of A5s must make some pretty weird straights and nut flushes. :/

Any good villain will call far less oop... You have no idea about position but call say my advice was ridiculous.............

I agreed that players are calling more IP hence I suggested a more linear range when 3B OOP, I don't disagree with that point. I disagreed with that players rarely flat 3B OOP, no longer is it a 4b/fold spot.

I didnt say never... I wont advise you anymore... Good luck!

5B jam range is way to weak AA KK and 4 combos of some kind of Axs is ok